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          THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IT IS NOW 4:30 P.M. ON TUESDAY, JULY 15TH, 2025. THIS MEETING OF THE KILLEEN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD OF TRUSTEES IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. THE FOLLOWING TRUSTEES ARE PRESENT AND PARTICIPATING. SUSAN JONES, VICE PRESIDENT MARVIN RAINWATER, BRENDA ADAMS, SECRETARY. MARVIN RAINWATER, BOARD MEMBER OLIVER MINTZ, BOARD MEMBER TINA CAPUTO, BOARD MEMBER. AND ME, BRETT WILLIAMS, PRESIDENT AND PRESIDING OFFICER. 
          ABSENT AND NOT PARTICIPATING IN THIS MEETING IS BOARD MEMBER RODNEY GILCHRIST. CALL ROLL FOR EVERYBODY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. FOR THE RECORD, QUORUM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AND IS PRESENT. I HAVE THE PUBLIC FORUM SIGN UP SHEETS, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY A SLIGHT MISCOMMUNICATION BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO OCCUR WHEN WE COME BACK AT 6 P.M. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          [I. Closed Session (Part 1 of 2)]
SO WE'LL NOW THE BOARD WILL NOW CONVENE IN CLOSED SESSION FOR AGENDA ITEM ONE, A CLOSED SESSION FOR DISCUSSION OF PERSONNEL MATTERS AS ALLOWED BY TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.07 FOR AN AGENDA ITEM ONE B CLOSED SESSION FOR DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF SUPERINTENDENTS APPRAISAL. CONTRACT RENEWAL, EXTENSION AND COMPENSATION AS ALLOWED BY TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.074551.071 AND 551.129. NO VOTING WILL TAKE PLACE IN CLOSED SESSION. ANY ACTION THE BOARD WISHES TO TAKE IS THE RESULT OF DISCUSSIONS IN CLOSED SESSION WILL TAKE PLACE AFTER THE BOARD RECONVENES IN THE OPEN MEETING. THE TIME IS NOW 4:31 P.M. AND WE'RE IN CLOSED SESSION AND WE'RE THE TIME IS NOW 6 P.M. AND WE ARE RECONVENING FROM CLOSED SESSION. NO ACTION OR VOTING TOOK PLACE IN CLOSED SESSION. NO ACTION IS NEEDED AT THIS TIME. I WANT THE RECORD TO REFLECT AT 5:47 P.M, BOARD MEMBER RODNEY GILCHRIST ARRIVED AT THE MEETING. WELCOME, SIR. OKAY. AS A REMINDER, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC FORUM MUST SUBMIT THEIR SIGN UP SHEET AT THIS TIME. IT HAS BEEN THE BOARD'S PRACTICE BEFORE EACH REGULAR MEETING TO HAVE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES. FLAG IN TEXAS. FLAG. TONIGHT THE INVOCATION WILL BE LED BY MR. MARVIN RAINWATER, AND THE PLEDGES WILL BE LED BY HARKER HEIGHTS ELEMENTARY STUDENTS TY DUTTON AND CALEB. I WANT TO SAY THE LAST NAME. RIGHT CROSS. 
          CALEB CROSS AND TY DUTTON. SO AT THIS TIME, PLEASE STAND. FOR. AND WE PRAY OUR FATHER IN LAW, GOD, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER IN THE FREE WORLD AND FREE NATION. AND WE ASK, FATHER, AS WE COME TO MAKE VERY IMPORTANT DECISIONS, THAT WE ALWAYS MAKE DECISIONS WHICH ARE WISE AND DECISIONS WHICH ARE BENEFICIAL FOR OUR STUDENTS, OUR PARENTS, AND OF COURSE, OUR TEACHERS. HELP US FATHER AND PROTECT US FROM THE HORRIBLE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN OUR SCHOOL AND THE CHAOS THAT IS ISRAEL IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. AMEN. OKAY, GO FOR IT. WAIT RIGHT NOW. THREE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB GIRL. I'M SORRY. THERE'S A PLACE TO TURN. NAH. YOU'RE FINE. IT'S AN APP. IT'S NOT ENOUGH. I HAVE IT UPSIDE DOWN. IF YOU. IF YOU UNLOCK IT, I COULD PROBABLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO CUT IT OFF. OKAY. THANK YOU. A RECORDING OF THIS MEETING IS BEING MADE AND WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AT A LATER DATE. WE'RE ALSO 
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STREAMING THIS MEETING ON OUR CABLE CHANNEL 17 AND ON THE DISTRICT'S WEB PAGE. AGENDA ITEM 
          [II. Honors and Recognition]
TWO. HONORS AND RECOGNITION. MISS RUDOLPH. WHILE Y'ALL ARE MAKING YOUR WAY UP HERE FOR PICTURES, LET ME JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT OUR OFFICIAL DISTRICT PHOTOS FROM TONIGHT'S HONORS AND RECOGNITIONS WILL BE AVAILABLE AFTER THE MEETING ON OUR WEBSITE AT. 
          ALL RIGHT. TONIGHT WE HAVE SEVERAL OUTSTANDING STUDENTS AND A STAFF MEMBER TO RECOGNIZE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO JUMP RIGHT IN TO CELEBRATE SOME INCREDIBLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS. SO TO BEGIN, WE ARE THRILLED TO RECOGNIZE AN EXCEPTIONAL GROUP OF THEATER STUDENTS FROM ELLISON, HARKER HEIGHTS AND CHAPARRAL HIGH SCHOOLS WHO MADE KISD HISTORY AT THE TEXAS THESPIAN STATE FESTIVAL AND QUALIFIED FOR THE NATIONAL THESPIS COMPETITION THIS SUMMER. THE FESTIVAL GAVE STUDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPERIENCE LIVE THEATER, ATTEND WORKSHOPS, AUDITION FOR COLLEGES AND COMPETE IN INDIVIDUAL EVENTS, AND OUR STUDENTS SHONE BRIGHTLY ON STAGE AND OFF. IN ADDITION TO THEIR NATIONAL QUALIFICATIONS, THESE TALENTED STUDENTS RECEIVED OVER 160 COLLEGE CALLBACKS AND SECURED MORE THAN $333,000 IN SCHOLARSHIP OFFERS, THE HIGHEST AMOUNT IN KISD HISTORY. WE'RE PROUD TO CELEBRATE THESE SHINING EXAMPLES OF KISD EXCELLENCE. WHO ARE WITH US TONIGHT FROM HARKER HEIGHTS HIGH SCHOOL, MICHAEL MANLEY AND HE PLACED IN MONOLOGUE. 
          THAT. CONGRATULATIONS, MICHAEL. OKAY. OH. PERFECT. AND FROM CHAPARRAL HIGH SCHOOL, WE HAVE AVA MORGAN. MONOLOGUE CAITLIN DOOLEY. MONOLOGUE GIANNA MELENDEZ. MONOLOGUE ASHER HARRIS. DUET. ACTING. AMI MELTON, SOLO MUSICAL HENRY BRINK DUET MUSICAL AND ZACHARY RAPINI DUET MUSICAL. AND BEAUTIFUL. ARE YOU READY? PERFECT. CONGRATULATIONS TO THESE NATIONAL QUALIFIERS. NEXT, WE ARE PROUD TO RECOGNIZE MR. QUENTIN BRANCH, A KISD BUS DRIVER WHO RECENTLY PLACED SEVENTH AT THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION FOR PUPIL TRANSPORTATION STATE RODEO. IT'S A BIG DEAL. MR. BRANCH EARNED HIS SPOT AT THE STATE COMPETITION AFTER AN OUTSTANDING SHOWING AT THE HEART OF TEXAS REGIONAL RODEO, WHERE HE PLACED THIRD IN DRIVING SKILLS AND SECOND OVERALL WITH NINE YEARS OF DRIVING EXPERIENCE, INCLUDING FOUR WITH KILLEEN ISD. MR. BRANCH COMPLETED EXTENSIVE TRAINING TO PREPARE FOR THE COMPETITION, WHICH WHICH TESTED PRECISION, SAFETY AND CONTROL BEHIND THE WHEEL. CONGRATULATIONS, MR. BRANCH. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. EACH OF THESE RECOGNITIONS TONIGHT, THESE PEOPLE EMBODIES THE TALENT, 
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DEDICATION AND HEART THAT MAKE KILLEEN ISD SHINE. WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF THEM FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE AND HELPING CREATE BRIGHT FUTURES IN KILLEEN ISD. THANK YOU. 
          [III. Public Forum]
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM THREE, WHICH IS PUBLIC FORUM. THE BOARD WILL NOW HEAR COMMENTS FROM THOSE WHO'VE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK PER BOARD POLICY. EACH PUBLIC COMMENT IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. I'LL ASK THE AUDIENCE TO PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ANY PUBLIC OUTBURSTS AND TO MAINTAIN DECORUM. DECORUM. PARENTS, EMPLOYEES AND CITIZENS ARE ENCOURAGED TO UTILIZE THE DISTRICT'S GRIEVANCE PROCESS TO THE FULLEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. RELATED POLICIES ARE AVAILABLE ON THE DISTRICT'S WEBSITE OR UPON REQUEST. FOR THE RECORD, WE ASK THAT ALL PUBLIC FORUM PARTICIPANTS BEGIN BY STATING THEIR NAME AND THE CITY IN WHICH THEY RESIDE. ONCE COMPLETE, YOUR THREE MINUTES WILL BEGIN. SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. FIRST WE HAVE STAN GOLUBOFF. WELCOME. DON'T WORRY, I'M NOT HERE TO COMPLAIN. STAN. GOLUBOFF. HARKER HEIGHTS. AGAIN? I'M NOT HERE TO COMPLAIN. JUST AS A MEMBER OF THE OF THE COMMITTEE THAT HELPED WITH THE OPTIMIZATION PLAN, I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO PRAISE HOW WELL THE SCHOOL PROFILE TURNED OUT WHEN THEY WERE BRIEFED TO US. I, I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH INFORMATION WAS GOING TO BE ON THERE, AND I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME IN THE THREE MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS. IT'S LIKE AN EDUCATION. STAT GEEKS DREAM. THESE PROFILES, THEY'RE ON THE WEB PAGE. PARENTS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS NEED TO GO SEE THEM BECAUSE THE DATA JUMPS OFF THE SCREEN. I ENCOURAGE I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE LOOKED AT THEM, BUT I REALLY WOULD ASK YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THEM AGAIN BECAUSE THE DATA JUMPS OFF THE SCREEN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT TO ME IS SIX OF THE EIGHT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS THAT ARE RATED A D HAVE AN ATTENDANCE LESS THAN THE DISTRICT AVERAGE ATTENDANCE MATTERS. THAT'S THE THEME AND MESSAGE WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC. ATTENDANCE MATTERS IF YOU DON'T THINK ATTENDANCE MATTERS. TRUST ME, THE HARKER HEIGHTS KNIGHTS FOOTBALL TEAM IS NOT THE THREE TIME DEFENDING DISTRICT CHAMPS BECAUSE PLAYERS MISS PRACTICE. 
          THE ELLISON HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL TEAM IS NOT A THREE TIME STATE FINALIST BECAUSE PLAYERS DON'T SHOW UP. SHOEMAKER DIDN'T MISS WINNING THE STATE TRACK TEAM TITLE IN SIX A, BECAUSE THOSE PLAYERS, THOSE ATHLETES DON'T SHOW UP. YOU SHOW UP. THAT'S STEP NUMBER ONE. IF YOU FOCUS ON THAT, IF YOU FOCUS ON SHOWING UP AND TYING IT TO EDUCATION, TRUST ME, YOU WON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ATTENDANCE WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT'LL ALREADY BE TAKEN CARE OF. AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ATTENDANCE AS IT PERTAINS TO EDUCATION, YOU COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC THAT YOU CARE ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN. WHEN THEY HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT ATTENDANCE, WHEN IT'S JUST BUDGETARY. THE MESSAGE YOU'RE SENDING UNNECESSARILY. I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T MEAN TO, BUT WHAT'S PERCEIVED IS YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET. AND THAT'S NOT WHAT KISD IS ABOUT. SO I WOULD JUST THE PROFILES ARE AWESOME. PLEASE LOOK AT THEM. THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION. I COULD GO ON AND ON, BUT ATTENDANCE MATTERS. THE MIDDLE SCHOOL DATA IS ALL OVER THE PLACE. THERE'S PROBABLY SOMETHING ABOUT US NOT HAVING COMPUTER CLASSES, AND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T DO DOUBLE MATH ANYMORE. I DON'T KNOW, THERE THERE ARE SOLUTIONS 
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TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN MIDDLE SCHOOL. IT'S ALSO VERY INTERESTING THAT ONE OF YOUR HIGHEST RATED HIGH SCHOOLS IS 108% FULL. IT IT'S MAXED OUT THE KIDS WALL TO WALL AND THEY'RE ONE OF YOUR HIGHEST PERFORMERS. SOMETHING IS GOOD IS GOING ON THERE. THERE'S ALSO SOME GREAT DATA ABOUT ES AND DAP. PLACEMENTS THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO LOOK AT. AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE PROFILES. IT'S TRANSPARENCY. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE TAKING THE TASK A LITTLE WHILE AGO ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. THIS IS A THIS IS YOU BEING TRANSPARENT. OKAY I, I WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE. WE ASKED FOR IT. YOU'VE DELIVERED IT. NOW WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO DO IS KEEP THE DATA FRESH. I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN YOU NEED TO UPDATE IT. YOU GUYS NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT YOU NEED TO KEEP IT CURRENT. DON'T LET THE DATA ON THE PROFILES GO STALE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WILL BE USING THOSE PROFILES TO DECIDE TO ENROLL THEIR CHILDREN IN YOUR SCHOOLS. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, RIGHT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AN EARLY CHRISTMAS. NEXT WE HAVE LAURA. 
          LAURA. SHACKLEFORD. LAURA. SHACKLEFORD, KILLEEN, TEXAS. GOOD AFTERNOON. TEACHING SPECIAL EDUCATION IS NOT JUST A PROFESSION FOR ME. IT'S MY PASSION. IT'S ABOUT FINDING INNOVATIVE AND EFFECTIVE WAYS TO HELP OUR EXCEPTIONAL STUDENTS REACH THEIR FULLEST POTENTIAL. 
          TODAY, I'M HERE WITH A CRUCIAL REQUEST TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN ADVOCATING FOR SPECIAL, SELF-CONTAINED, SPECIAL EDUCATION. TEACHERS WHO, LIKE ME, ARE DEDICATED TO THE EXCEPTIONAL POPULATION OF LEARNERS AND TO HAVE US ADDED TO TIA. IN 2019, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE CREATED THE TIA TEACHER INCENTIVE ALLOTMENT TO REWARD EFFECTIVE TEACHERS, ESPECIALLY IN HIGH NEED AREAS. KILLEEN ISD IMPLEMENTED THE PROGRAM. SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHERS WERE TOLD THAT WE WOULD BE INCLUDED LATER. IT'S NOW 2025. WE'RE STILL NOT INCLUDED IN THAT. SPECIAL EDUCATION IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST NEED AREAS AND OUR WORK IS DEMANDING, COMPLEX, ESSENTIAL AND FEDERALLY MANDATED. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR A HANDOUT. WE'RE ASKING FOR FAIR RECOGNITION AND COMPENSATION. WE UNDERGO T TEST EVALUATIONS JUST AS OUR GENERAL EDUCATION COUNTERPARTS. ON TOP OF TEACHING, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR WRITING IEPS, TRACKING DATA, ASSESSING PROGRESS, ADMINISTERING ASSESSMENTS. AND YET WE ARE STILL NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE RECOGNITION OR COMPENSATION THAT TIA PROMISES. THE TEXAS EDUCATION AGENCY'S PUBLICATION THAT WAS PASSED AROUND OUTLINES METHODS TO INCLUDE SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHERS IN TIA IN THE LOCAL DESIGNATION SYSTEMS. THESE METHODS FOCUS ON MEASURING STUDENT GROWTH THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR OUR STUDENTS, WHO OFTEN FACE COMPLEX LEARNING CHALLENGES. THERE IS A SOLUTION AVAILABLE, AND YET WE REMAIN EXCLUDED. LET'S TAKE A MOMENT TO CONSIDER THE REALITY THAT WE FACE HERE IN KILLEEN ISD. RETENTION OF HIGH QUALITY SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHERS IS A PERSISTENT CHALLENGE. THE NEED IS GREAT, THE WORKLOAD IS IMMENSE, AND THE EMOTIONAL TOLL IS REAL. BY INCLUDING US IN THE SYSTEM, YOU SEND A MESSAGE TO CURRENT AND FUTURE EDUCATORS THAT WE ARE VALUED. YOU MAKE KILLEEN ISD A PLACE WHERE EDUCATORS CAN BUILD FULFILLING, SUSTAINABLE CAREERS WHILE MAKING A REAL IMPACT ON THE LIVES OF STUDENTS. A PLACE WHERE TEACHERS WILL WANT TO STAY BY ADDING SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHERS TO THE SYSTEM. WE ARE NOT JUST HELPING INDIVIDUAL EDUCATORS. WE'RE BUILDING A STRONGER, MORE RESILIENT DISTRICT, ONE THAT ATTRACTS AND RETAINS THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST. SO I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY NOT JUST AS A TEACHER, BUT AS A VOICE FOR MY STUDENTS, MY COLLEAGUES, AND FOR THE FUTURE OF SPECIAL EDUCATION IN KILLEEN ISD. WE DESERVE TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR THE DEDICATION AND HARD WORK THAT WE PUT INTO OUR CRAFT. WE DESERVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH AND INCENTIVE AS OUR PEERS IN GENERAL EDUCATION. WE DESERVE EQUITY. I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TODAY IN ADVOCATING FOR THE INCLUSION OF SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHERS INTO THE TIA PROGRAM. 
          LET'S MAKE KILLEEN ISD A DISTRICT THAT TRULY VALUES THE WORK OF ALL EDUCATORS. LET'S ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE TOOLS, SUPPORT, AND RECOGNITION THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE GIVING OUR STUDENTS THE BEST POSSIBLE EDUCATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE SIGNED UP JOSHUA BROWN. WELCOME. JOSHUA BROWN, KILLEEN, TEXAS. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I SERVE AS A STUDENT PASTOR HERE IN KILLEEN, HARKER HEIGHTS AREA. AND TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN 
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FAVOR OF OUR DISTRICT ADOPTING SENATE BILL 11, RECENTLY PASSED BY THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE AND GOING INTO EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 1ST. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THIS BILL GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY. IT ALLOWS PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO SET ASIDE VOLUNTARY TIME DURING THE SCHOOL DAY FOR SCHOOL STUDENTS AND STAFF, WITH PARENTAL CONSENT, TO ENGAGE IN PRAYER OR READ RELIGIOUS TEXTS. 
          IT'S NOT MANDATORY. IN FACT, THE BILL IS CLEAR. QUOTE, PARTICIPATION IS VOLUNTARY AND MUST BE WITH THE WRITTEN CONSENT OF THE STUDENT'S PARENT OR GUARDIAN. THIS IS NOT ABOUT PUSHING RELIGION, BUT IN FACT, MAKING A SPACE FOR THOSE STUDENTS THAT WANT TO FREELY AND RESPECTFULLY PRACTICE THEIR FAITH. I'M SURE YOU KNOW THAT WE LIVE IN A TIME WHEN STUDENTS ARE OVERWHELMED WITH STRESS, ANXIETY, CONFUSION. A STUDY FROM THE JOURNAL PSYCHOLOGICAL SCIENCE BACK IN 2014 SHOWED THAT STUDENTS WHO TOOK 15 MINUTES AT THE END OF THE DAY TO REFLECT ON WHAT THEY LEARNED PERFORMED 23% BETTER ON ACADEMIC ASSIGNMENTS THAN THOSE WHO DID NOT. ANOTHER ONE FROM MINDFUL SCHOOLS REPORT IN 2015 SAID IN SCHOOLS WHERE A SHORT PERIOD OF MINDFULNESS OR MEDITATION WAS IMPLEMENTED, SUSPENSIONS DROPPED BY 45%, 45% AND TEACHER REPORTS OF CLASSROOM BEHAVIOR BEING SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED. THIS BILL AGAIN CREATES A SPACE, NOT AN ALL OUT CHURCH SERVICE. IT'S NOT WHAT IT'S ABOUT, BUT A SIMPLE MOMENT TO REALIGN WITHOUT DISRUPTING INSTRUCTION, WITHOUT VIOLATING ANYBODY'S RIGHTS. IT ALSO ENCOURAGES STUDENT LEADERSHIP, WHICH IS A VALUE OF KISD. THE TEXT OF THE BILL MAKES CLEAR THAT SCHOOL STAFF CAN SUPERVISE, BUT, QUOTE, MAY NOT PARTICIPATE IN OR INFLUENCE THE CONTENT OF THE ACTIVITIES CONDUCTED DURING THAT PERIOD. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS TABLE? ACCORDING TO THIS BILL, IT SAYS, QUOTE, NO LATER THAN THE 180TH DAY AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES SHALL VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO ADOPT THIS POLICY. THAT MEANS IN SEPTEMBER, THERE'S A DECISION TO BE MADE BY THIS BOARD, AND I BELIEVE WE SHOULD START THAT CONVERSATION EARLY, NOT TO RUSH IT, BUT TO LEAD IN IT. KILLEEN ISD HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE AMONG THE FIRST SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN TEXAS TO THOUGHTFULLY AND RESPECTFULLY IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENT THIS KIND OF POLICY, AND I'M NOT ALONE IN HOPING FOR THAT. THERE ARE STUDENTS, PARENTS, FAMILIES THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY WHO WOULD DEEPLY VALUE THIS DAILY MOMENT AGAIN, NOT AS A PERFORMANCE, BUT AS A PRACTICE OF FAITH, REFLECTION, AND PEACE. SO I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN BE A DISTRICT THAT LEADS NOT JUST IN ACADEMICS, BUT IN PROVIDING A SPACE FOR THE WHOLE PERSON, HEART, SOUL, AND MIND. I'VE BEEN PART OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH PARENTS, STUDENTS ALIKE, AND EXCITED TO CONTINUE THIS JOURNEY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR LEADERSHIP, AND YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. AS WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC FORUM, 
          [IV. Consent Agenda]
WE'RE CLOSING PUBLIC FORUM AND MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. AS THERE ANY TRUSTEES THAT DESIRE TO PULL ANY ITEM OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? ARE WE OPEN TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED? OKAY. SO CONSENT AGENDA A CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING EXTRACURRICULAR STATUS OF THE BELL COUNTY, TEXAS FOUR-H ORGANIZATION AND THE ADJUNCT FACULTY AGREEMENT FOR THE 2025 2026 SCHOOL YEAR. B CONSIDERATION OF REMOTE HOMEBOUND INSTRUCTION WAIVER REQUEST FOR THE 2025 2026 SCHOOL YEAR. C CONSIDERATION OF ALTERNATE DISTRICT HEARING OFFICERS FOR THE 2025 2026 SCHOOL YEAR. D CONSIDERATION OF A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH CENTRAL COUNTY SERVICES FOR THE 2025 2026 SCHOOL YEAR. E CONSIDERATION OF MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY HEALTH SCIENCE CENTER, COLLEGE OF MEDICINE TO PROVIDE PEDIATRIC AND ADOLESCENT BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES VIA TELEHEALTH AND F. CONSIDERATION OF QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORT FOR THE PERIOD ENDING MAY 31ST, 2025. YOU HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA BEFORE YOU, MADAM CAPITO, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA LETTERS A THROUGH F AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MADAM CAPITO. WE HAVE A SECOND BY SECRETARY ADAMS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY TRUSTEES, THERE BEING NONE. MR. RAINWATER, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE WHOLE BALLFIELDS. IS THAT GOING TO BE ONLY BY VIDEO, OR WILL THERE BE A TEACHER THAT WILL ALSO WORK WITH THESE KIDS? IT SEEMS VERY. IMPOSSIBLE TO ME. IT'S NOT A VIDEO OF. YOU. YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD. THAT IS. SORRY. THAT IS ONLY FOR STUDENTS. WHERE BY WAY 
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OF US GOING INTO THE HOME THAT WE WOULD SUBJECT THAT CHILD TO. YEAH, IT'S FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CHILD. YEAH. YOU GET MR. RAINWATER. YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MADAM CAPITO, AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY SECRETARY ADAMS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THERE BEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? WE HAVE SEVEN IN FAVOR. NONE IN 
          [V. Action Items for Consideration]
OPPOSITION. CONSENT AGENDA PASSES. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO FIVE ACTION ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          A RECEIVED AND APPROVED MINUTES FOR THE JUNE 10TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? IT'S AN ACTION ITEM. MADAM CAPITO. I MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JUNE 10TH, 2025. REGULAR MEETING AS PRESENTED. HAVE A MOTION BY MADAM CAPITO, SECOND BY MR. GILCHREST. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY TRUSTEES THERE BEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. PASSES BY SEVEN ZERO VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I MOVE TO B, WHICH IS RECEIVING APPROVED MINUTES FOR THE JUNE 17TH, 2025 BOARD WORKSHOP. ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM, MR. GILCHRIST. MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE THAT WE RECEIVE AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE JUNE 17TH, 2025 BOARD WORKSHOP AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. GILCHRIST. WE HAVE A SECOND BY SECRETARY ADAMS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY TRUSTEES THERE BEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. WE HAVE SIX IN FAVOR. THOSE OPPOSED. 
          THOSE ABSTAINING. WE HAVE SIX IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, ONE ABSTAINING. AND TRUSTEE MINTS. 
          WE'LL NOW GO TO C, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEMENTS WITH CENTRAL TEXAS COLLEGE. DUAL CREDIT PROGRAMS FOR THE TERM. AUGUST 1ST, 2025 TO JULY 31ST, 2026 ONE. PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT TWO. DUAL CREDIT AGREEMENT THREE. MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FOR EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL FOR STEM ACADEMY. DUAL CREDIT AGREEMENT FIVE. 
          FACILITY USE AGREEMENT. DOCTOR. JELLINEK, CREIGHTON. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. I HAVE MEMBERS OF THE TEAM HERE STANDING WITH ME BECAUSE WE ARE COMING TO SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ANNUAL RENEWAL OF AGREEMENTS AND MEMORANDUMS OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN KILLEEN ISD AND CENTRAL TEXAS COLLEGE. THE MOU, OR MEMORANDUMS OF UNDERSTANDING ARE TO PROVIDE ELIGIBLE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENROLL IN COLLEGE COURSES AND RECEIVE CREDIT FROM BOTH THE COLLEGE AND HIGH SCHOOLS SIMULTANEOUSLY. SO THE MOU THAT WE HAVE APPROVED IN THE PAST THAT WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR TONIGHT ARE THE PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT, THE DUAL CREDIT AGREEMENT, THE MOU FOR EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL STEM AND THE FACILITIES USE AGREEMENT. IS THAT THE PAUSE? YES, SIR. QUESTIONS FROM TRUSTEES. MR. MINTZ. OKAY. NOT SURE IF USING THE RIGHT MIC HERE. SO I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE PROBABLY JUST MY LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THE PROGRAM. SO THERE'S THERE WAS A CHANGE FROM THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT ABOUT TRANSCRIPTION OF GRADES. I READ WHAT IT SAYS. WHY ARE WE MAKING THAT CHANGE. WE HAVE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ROUNDING GRADES, THE WAY THEY SHARE GRADES WITH US. DO NOT ROUND TO THE WHOLE NUMBER AND WHAT WE WANTED TO ENSURE FROM THE DISTRICT PERSPECTIVE WAS THAT IF A STUDENT HAD A GRADE THAT WOULD NOT ROUND UP FOR THE COLLEGE, BUT THAT ROUNDS UP FOR THE KISD PRACTICE THAT STUDENTS WOULD NOT HAVE A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THEIR HIGH SCHOOL TRANSCRIPT AND THEIR COLLEGE TRANSCRIPT. SO WE'VE HAD THREE CONFERENCES WITH THEM ABOUT ENSURING THAT THE PROFESSORS AT THEIR UNIVERSITIES SHARE INFORMATION WITH US SO THAT OUR GRADES THAT STUDENTS RECEIVE MATCH ON THEIR TRANSFER. SO WE'RE INDEPENDENTLY PUTTING IN THE GRADES BASED ON KISD ROUNDING STANDARDS, AS OPPOSED TO APPLYING OR TAKING THE GRADE DIRECTLY FROM CTC AND JUST ENTERING THAT. YES. NO. AND THEY SEND US THE THEY SEND US THE INFORMATION VIA TRANSMITTAL. SO THEY WOULD SEND US, LET'S SAY, 69.62 IN KISD. THAT WOULD ROUND 
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UP TO A 70. THAT WOULD NOT ROUND TO A PASSING GRADE FOR CTC. SO WE DON'T WANT STUDENTS TO LOOK LIKE THEY'VE PASSED A COURSE ON THEIR HIGH SCHOOL TRANSCRIPT, BUT THAT THEY FAILED A COURSE ON THEIR CTC TRANSCRIPT THAT WOULD CAUSE THEM POTENTIAL PROBLEMS IF THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE THEIR OR MOVE TO A DIFFERENT UNIVERSITY. SO WHO TAKES PRECEDENT? WELL, CURRENTLY WE'RE WORKING TO BE SURE THAT IT'S EQUAL. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT ROUNDING KIDS ON A KISD TRANSCRIPT A GRADE THAT COMES OVER NOT THAT COMES FROM CTC, BECAUSE OUR ORIGINAL AGREEMENT IS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING WHAT KCTCS PRACTICES ARE, AND WE'RE COMMUNICATING THAT TO PARENTS AND STUDENTS SO THEY KNOW THE RULES OF THE ROAD. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. A NUMBER NINE. IT TALKS ABOUT FUNDING. AND I'M LOOKING I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE OF CONTRACTS IN HERE. WE TALKED ABOUT FAST ELIGIBLE STUDENTS. HOW MANY HOW WHAT AS A PERCENTAGE. HOW MANY OF OUR STUDENTS IS THAT. DO YOU WANT TO I CAN SPEAK FROM IS IT A HIGH LIKE VERY HIGH. YES. ALMOST ALL. 
          RIGHT. SO IF WE LOOK AT THE TOTAL FOR THIS EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL FROM FALL OF 2023, IT WAS SIX $637,407 WAS TUITION AS COMPARED TO FALL OF 2024, WHICH WAS $155,000, 460 25. SO IT'S ABOUT A $500,000 DECREASE TO THE DISTRICT FOR THE STUDENTS WHO QUALIFY UNDER THE FAST TUITION. SO ABOUT SEVEN. AGAIN, I DON'T DO MATH IN PUBLIC, BUT THAT'S LIKE 75%. YES, SIR. OKAY. 
          AND THEN I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. IF STUDENTS FAIL A CLASS WHO PAY, CAN THEY TAKE IT AGAIN? AND IF SO, WHO PAYS FOR THE RETEST OR THE RETAKE? SO IF THE STUDENT IS A FAST STUDENT, THAT STUDENT STILL GETS THAT COURSE FREE. OR THE DISTRICT DOES NOT PAY, BUT THE STATE PAYS FOR THAT RETAKE, IF THEY FAIL IT A THIRD TIME, THEN THE STUDENT WOULD PAY $55 A CREDIT HOUR, SO THE COURSE WOULD COST THE STUDENT $165 UNDER THE FAST PROGRAM. SO WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY THEN IS WE PAY FOR A SECOND SHOT AT THE EXAM. YES. OKAY. AND ABOUT HOW MUCH, HOW MANY, HOW MUCH ARE WE PAYING FOR SECOND CHANCES. AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION EXACTLY AS FAR AS TUITION, BECAUSE SOME OF THE STUDENTS QUALIFY UNDER THE FAST PROGRAM. SO IT'S NOT CHARGED TO THE DISTRICT. 
          PROBABLY A PRETTY LOW NUMBER. YES. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. SO TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION, THE YOU SAID THAT THE FAST STUDENTS WOULD HAVE THE SECOND OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THE TEST AT NO COST TO THE STUDENT. BUT WHAT IF THEY ARE NOT ONE OF THE FAST STUDENTS? THEN WHO PAYS FOR THAT COURSE? THE DISTRICT OR THE STUDENT? THE DISTRICT WOULD PAY FOR THE COURSE AT $165. IF IT'S A THREE CREDIT COURSE, AND WE WOULD ADD ANOTHER $55 IF IT WAS A FOUR CREDIT COURSE. AND IF THEY FAIL THE SECOND TIME, THE STUDENT WOULD PAY FOR ANY THIRD ATTEMPT. 
          SO AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, FOR THE MOST PART, ALL STUDENTS WOULD PAY FOR THE THIRD ATTEMPT. BUT THE SECOND ATTEMPT IS FREE. WHETHER IT'S A FAST PROGRAM OR WHETHER IT'S A KISD PROGRAM. 
          YES. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM TRUSTEES? THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. YES. AND I'M SORRY. I'M ASKING FOR NUMBERS AND I TAKE NO OFFENSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEM. WHAT'S THIS? THE PASS RATE FOR ALL CLASSES. SO IF YOU JUST TOOK THE NUMBER OF CLASSES THAT WERE TAKEN. 
          WOULD YOU ALL HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE TO BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO YOU? THAT'S PRETTY. THAT'S I FEEL LIKE I'M HAVING MY SUMMER SCHOOL CONVERSATION AGAIN. LIKE THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT METRIC TO KNOW HOW MANY KIDS ARE PASSING THE CLASSES THAT WE'RE SENDING THEM TO. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE KNOWING WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. YES. THANK YOU. WE'LL BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK. MR. GILCHRIST, I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH MR. MISS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY ARE FIRST TIME PASSING. HOW MANY SECOND TIME, HOW MANY ACTUALLY FAILED OVERALL. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. DOCTOR OSBORN, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO PROVIDE THAT IN FRIDAY NOTES OR TO BRING IT BACK. WHAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE? I JUST WANT THE DATA. YEAH. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW, I'M, I'M KIND OF THINKING OUT LOUD, BUT THAT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. I IT'S THE SAME QUESTIONS I 
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ASKED WITH SUMMER SCHOOL WHAT'S OUR BUDGET, WHAT'S OUR SUCCESS RATE. AND IF WE CAN'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS AT THE TIP OF OUR FINGERS, LIKE MAYBE WE OUGHT TO JUST I MEAN, I COULD BRING IT. 
          YOU COULD BRING IT BACK FOR LIKE THREE SLIDES JUST SO WE CAN WE CAN SEE WE CAN SEE WHAT IT IS. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXTRAVAGANT. LET'S BRING IT BACK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING ELSE, DOCTOR OSBORN? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. MADAM CAPITO. 
          SORRY, THIS IS FOR CTC. SO I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MOU FOR CTC WITH ALL INCLUDED AGREEMENTS LISTED. HERE. SCARED ME A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO HEAR YOU READ IT. HOW I SAW IT IN FRONT OF ME. BUT I THINK YOU WERE KIND OF YOU'RE KIND OF FREELANCING IT BECAUSE THE OTHER ONES THAT THERE WERE YOU FREELANCING IT. I CAN GET YOU TO THE PAGE JUST TO KEEP US. OKAY. 
          YEAH. 46 HIGH SECOND. ALL RIGHT, LET'S TRY AGAIN. YES, MA'AM. MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEMENTS WITH CENTRAL TEXAS COLLEGE. DUAL CREDIT PROGRAMS FOR THE TERM OF AUGUST 1ST, 2025 TO JULY 31ST, 2026 AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU, THANK YOU I APPRECIATE. GOT A MOTION A SECOND I HAVE A MOTION BY MADAM CAPITO. WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. GILCHRIST. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY TRUSTEES THERE BEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. WE HAVE SEVEN IN FAVOR. NONE IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. WE'LL NOW GO TO D CONSIDERATION OF MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH TEMPLE COLLEGE FOR THE TEXAS BIOSCIENCE INSTITUTE PROGRAM FOR THE 2025 2026 SCHOOL YEAR. ONCE AGAIN, DOCTOR CREIGHTON. YES, SIR. AGAIN, THIS IS AN ANNUAL RENEWAL OF THE AGREEMENT AND MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN TEMPLE COLLEGE AND KILLEEN ISD. THIS MOU IS ALSO TO PROVIDE ELIGIBLE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENROLL IN COLLEGE COURSES AND RECEIVE CREDIT FROM BOTH INSTITUTIONS. QUESTIONS FROM TRUSTEES. MR. GILCHRIST, CAN WE GET THE SAME NUMBERS? YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BRING THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE WHO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN AWARE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY DOWNSIZING THAT PROGRAM. AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE ONLY HAVE TWO STUDENTS PARTICIPATING IN THAT PROGRAM RIGHT NOW WHO WILL GRADUATE THIS COMING YEAR. IS THAT CORRECT? WE HAVE TWO JUNIORS CURRENTLY ENROLLED FOR 2526, AND WE HAVE SIX SENIORS FOR 2526. OKAY. BUT BUT THAT'S IT. WELL, THAT WILL BE OUR PROPOSAL AS SOON AS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THAT WITH DOCTOR OSBORN AND DOCTOR FAY. 
          THE TBI PROGRAM WAS EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL. AND NOW WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH CTC, AND STUDENTS ARE ABLE TO TAKE COURSES HERE AS OPPOSED TO TAKING COURSES THERE. SO THE ENROLLMENT HAS DRASTICALLY DECLINED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. SO PART OF THAT WAS WAS ALSO THE FINANCES THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED, BECAUSE TEMPLE COLLEGE DID NOT GIVE US IN DISTRICT TUITION, SO WE HAD TO PAY MORE FOR OUR CHILDREN TO GO THERE. SO WITH THE NEW FAST PROGRAM, DOES THAT PROGRAM, WILL THAT PROGRAM COVER AS AS TEMPLE COMMUNITY COLLEGE OPTED INTO THAT PROGRAM OR OPTED OUT? AND WILL THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT? I DON'T KNOW IT. WE MADE THE DECISION FINANCIALLY TO KIND OF BACK OUT OF THAT PROGRAM. SO IS IT SOMETHING WE SHOULD RECONSIDER? IF IT WAS A HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM AND IT BENEFITED OUR STUDENTS, WE DO HAVE THE EXPENDITURES FROM THE PAST THREE YEARS. IN 2324, IT COSTS $36,000. IN ORDER FOR OUR STUDENTS TO PARTICIPATE THERE. AND WITH THE INCEPTION OF FAST, WE'RE EXPECTED TO PAY $8,000 FOR 2526. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. MADAM SECRETARY. MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVED TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH TEMPLE COLLEGE FOR THE TEXAS BIOSCIENCE INSTITUTE PROGRAM FOR THE 20 2526 SCHOOL YEAR. AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MADAM SECRETARY. WE HAVE A SECOND BY MADAM CAPITO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY TRUSTEES, THERE BEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SHOW OF HANDS. WE HAVE SEVEN IN FAVOR, NONE IN 
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OPPOSITION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM E. C OKAY. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM E WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF SENATE BILL 401 OF THE 89TH TEXAS LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND CONSIDERATION OF REVISION OF BOARD POLICY FOR LOCAL RELATED TO PARTICIPATION OF NON ENROLLED HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS IN EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES AT KILLEEN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT CAMPUSES, INCLUDING ACTIVITIES GOVERNED BY THE UNIVERSITY INTERSCHOLASTIC INTERSCHOLASTIC LEAGUE. MR. HECKENBERG, WELCOME. GOOD AFTERNOON. SO WE ARE BRINGING BACK SENATE BILL 401 FOR DISCUSSION. THIS IS THE HOMESCHOOL PARTICIPATION IN UIL NEXT SLIDE. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH IS WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A REVISED ANALYSIS OF THE SENATE BILL 401 FOR THE DISTRICT. TALK ABOUT THE SCHEDULE FOR FY 20 SCHOOL YEAR 2526, WHERE WE CURRENTLY SIT WITH ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES FOR HOW WE DEAL WITH THESE TOPICS, POSSIBLE DECISIONS THAT THE BOARD NEEDS TO MAKE, AND THEN WHAT THOSE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE AFTER THAT DECISION. SO NEXT SLIDE. SO WHAT WE DID TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT IS BROKE IT DOWN WITH FACTS, ASSUMPTIONS, RISKS AND OPPORTUNITIES. THE ASSUMPTIONS MADE WERE ONES THAT WE NEEDED TO MAKE TO CONTINUE PLANNING. YOU KNOW YOU CAN CHOOSE TO INVALIDATE THOSE OR CONFIRM THOSE AS WE GO FORWARD, AND WE WILL MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED TO THAT SECTION. SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE FACTS FIRST, THEN THE ASSUMPTIONS, RISKS AND OPPORTUNITIES. SO FIRST BOTTOM LINE UP FRONT SENATE BILL FOUR ONE TAKES EFFECT 1ST SEPTEMBER 2025. SO WE ARE CURRENTLY OUT OF HOMESCHOOL PARTICIPATION AND WE WOULD REMAIN OUT UNTIL 1ST SEPTEMBER 2025. THE BOARD MUST OPT OUT NO LATER THAN 1ST SEPTEMBER 2025, OR WE WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE IN TO HOMESCHOOL PARTICIPATION FOR THE UPCOMING SCHOOL YEAR. THE FOLLOWING YEARS. FOR EVERY OTHER ENSUING YEAR, THAT DECISION HAS TO BE MADE 1ST AUGUST. SO THEY GAVE US ONE EXTRA MONTH OF GRACE TO SORT THROUGH THIS PROCESS. BUT FOR EVERY OTHER YEAR AFTER, WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION. 1ST AUGUST MOVING FORWARD AT THIS TIME. FALL SPORTS ROSTERS ARE SET BY THIS DATE FOR THE FALL SPORTS, AND WE'LL TALK THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE IN DETAIL. WE DID SOME HISTORICAL ANALYSIS. AND SO OF THE 368 STUDENTS THAT ENROLLED TO BE HOMESCHOOLED, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY PUT ON THEIR FORM, 114 PARTICIPATED IN SOME SORT OF UIL EVENT. WHEN THEY DID THEIR FORMS, 69 WERE IN ATHLETICS, 55 IN A BAND RELATED FIELD, 20 IN A VOCAL FIELD AND THEN SEVEN OTHER GRAPHIC ARTS ROTC. SO THAT'S THE DATA WE HAVE FROM THE LAST SCHOOL YEAR. FOR THOSE THAT DID THIS ROLE, AND WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD MAYBE COME BACK INTO THE DISTRICT. WE DON'T KNOW FROM OUTSIDE ANYTHING ELSE OUTSIDE OF THAT WE DO NOT HAVE. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON THIS THE LAST TIME. KISD DOES NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS FROM OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT. WE MAY ACCEPT THEM. WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ACCEPT THEM. AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT, ABOUT POTENTIAL DECISIONS. BUT THAT IS IN THE LAW, AS WE DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT OUTSIDE, BUT WE DO HAVE TO ACCEPT INTERNAL TO THE DISTRICT IF WE DECIDE TO STAY IN THE PROGRAM. TRANSFERS MUST ABIDE BY DISTRICT OVERSIGHT AND ELIGIBILITY RULES, WHATEVER THE DISTRICT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ARE IN PLACE, THOSE STUDENTS COMING IN TO PARTICIPATE MUST MUST ABIDE BY THOSE RULES. ANOTHER TOPIC OF DISCUSSION FOR THE LAST TIME IS HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS ARE NOT EXEMPT FROM THE 60 MINUTE RULE IN THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RECEIVE OUTSIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTION ON THEIR INSTRUMENT, THEIR SPORT, DURING THE SCHOOL DAY. THAT WOULD GIVE THEM AN ADVANTAGE OVER OTHER STUDENTS. 
          CAN I PAUSE YOU ON THAT? YOU MAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF YOU'RE A HOMESCHOOL STUDENT AND YOU PLAY TENNIS, THE 60 MINUTE RULE SAYS DEFINE THE 60 MINUTE RULE. SO IT'S DURING THE SCHOOL DAY. SO IT'S MEANT TO MIRROR THE HOUR OF INSTRUCTION THAT THEY CAN HAVE AS PART OF A CLASS. AND SO THEY CAN'T GO HOME AND THEY CAN HAVE ONE HOUR IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO COME TO KISD AND PARTICIPATE IN THE ATHLETIC PERIOD, THEY CAN'T THEN GO HOME DURING THE SCHOOL DAY AND TAKE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTION FROM PRIVATE COACH TO TEACH THEM TO THROW THE BALL BETTER. THEY CAN DO IT WEEKENDS. THEY CAN DO IT AFTER SCHOOL HOURS, BUT IF THEY'RE GOING HOME AND PARTICIPATING IN THOSE EVENTS DURING THE SCHOOL DAY, IT POTENTIALLY A VIOLATION OF THE RULES AS DEFINED BY UIL. THAT'S TAKING PRIVATE INSTRUCTION THOUGH, CORRECT. ADDITIONAL COACHING. IT SAYS ADDITIONAL COACHING OR PRACTICE. SO OKAY. SO PRACTICE COULD BE WHAT SOMEONE DOES BY THEMSELVES TO THEN CORRECT OR CORRECT. BUT IT'S WITH A CO. IT'S THERE'S A GREAT THEY DON'T DEFINE IT. WELL THEY SAY ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTION OR COACHING OR OR PRACTICE BUT 
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THEY DON'T DEFINE IT AS SHOOTING. YOU KNOW IF YOU GO AND SHOOT FREE THROWS YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. BUT IT'S A POTENTIAL FRICTION POINT FOR ELIGIBILITY OF, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE OVERSIGHT OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING WHEN THEY'RE AWAY FROM THE CAMPUSES. OKAY. AND MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? OKAY, SIR, I'D LIKE TO BACK UP TO THE KISD. DOES NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS FROM OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT. SO HOMESCHOOL KIDS INSIDE OF OUR FOOTPRINT. WE WOULD HAVE TO ACCEPT IF WE DO NOT OPT OUT. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT WE DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THEM FROM COPPERS COVE, TEMPLE ROGERS, THAT IS CORRECT, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. RAINWATER, IT'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MONITORING THINGS LIKE 60 MINUTE PRACTICE DURING THE DAY. I MEAN, IS THAT GOING TO FALL TO THE SCHOOL? CHARTER SCHOOL? IT FALLS TO THE ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATOR OF THAT HOMESCHOOL PROGRAM TO REPORT THAT TO US. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE POTENTIAL RISKS. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND OF WHAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY COULD HAPPEN IF PEOPLE ARE VIOLATING THAT BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT OVERSIGHT. OKAY. THE STAR OCC PROGRAMS THAT WE DO IN KISD, YOU KNOW, IMPACTS KISD STUDENTS. IT WOULD NOT EXPECT HOMESCHOOL THAT IS A PART OF THE CULTURE PIECE AND JUST THE EQUITY ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP LAST TIME. THAT DOES IMPACT STUDENTS DIFFERENTLY, SIR. WERE YOU PROVIDE SOME DETAILS ON I KNOW WE HAD CONVERSATIONS, PROVIDE THE DETAILS FOR THE ENTIRE GROUP ON WHAT YOU'RE WHAT THAT BULLET POINT MEANS BASED OFF STAR TESTING. IF A STUDENT FAILS A PORTION OF THE STAR TEST, THEY COULD BE PULLED OUT OF THEIR ATHLETIC PERIOD TO DO REMEDIAL INSTRUCTION IN THAT FOCUS IN THAT AREA, CAUSING THEM TO MISS PRACTICE TIME THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE SPENT WITH THEIR TEAMS. THEY WOULD LOSE THAT. 
          THAT 60 MINUTES THAT THEY'RE ALLOCATED WOULD COME OFF THEIR SCHEDULE TO DO REMEDIATION IN THAT SUBJECT AREA. AND THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING ON THAT IS BECAUSE A HOMESCHOOL STUDENT DOES NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT GUY. CORRECT. SO IT'S THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. THERE'S NO TRACKING OF THEIR STAR SCORE, AND THERE'S NO POTENTIAL TO PULL THEM FOR SOMETHING. SO THEY DON'T THEY WOULD ALWAYS BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT CLASS, PERIOD. A ENROLLED KISD STUDENT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY WOULD POTENTIALLY LOSE THAT, MR. GILCHRIST. SO I UNDERSTAND YOU SAYING WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE HOMESCHOOL, WHETHER THEY PASS THE STAR OR NOT. WE JUST GOT TO TAKE THEIR WORD. THEY'RE DOING OKAY. THEY ARE REQUIRED. THEY ARE. I'M ASKING I DON'T KNOW. 
          THEY ARE REQUIRED TO TAKE A STANDARDIZED TEST AND WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO TAKE A STANDARDIZED TEST ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS. AND THAT IS THE ONLY THAT IS THE ONLY TRACKING THING WE GET. AND THEN THEIR PARENTS ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT GRADES OR THEIR THEIR HOMESCHOOL ADMINISTRATOR REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A GRADE REPORT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT. AND WE RECEIVE IT AND WE TAKE THE WORD FOR IT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER THAT PROGRAM. NO. SO THAT'S IT FOR THE FACTS. I'LL MOVE INTO THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE MADE TO CONTINUE PLANNING. THIS POLICY APPLIES ONLY TO UIL ACTIVITIES. I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES THAT STUDENTS WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE UMBRELLA. AT THIS TIME, WE DID NOT CONSIDER THOSE. THOSE COULD BE ADDED AT A LATER DATE, BUT BECAUSE THE DECISION IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT UIL, WE FOCUSED ON UIL MOVING FORWARD. 
          KSD WILL REQUIRE HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN ACADEMIC PERIODS SUPPORTING THE EVENT. THAT IS SOMETHING WE BELIEVE IF THEY'RE GOING TO PARTICIPATE, THEY'RE GOING TO FULLY PARTICIPATE IN THAT EVENT. SO THEY WOULD COME INTO THAT ACADEMIC PERIOD FOR THAT EVENT. 
          KSD WOULD NOT ALLOW HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS WHO DISENROLL TO AVOID DISCIPLINE ACTION IN THE PREVIOUS SCHOOL YEAR. THAT IS AN ASSUMPTION WE MADE MOVING FORWARD. EXPLAIN THAT JUST A LITTLE MORE. MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO WE MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT IF A STUDENT DISENROLLED FROM KISD TO AVOID A DISCIPLINE PLACEMENT OR DISCIPLINE ACTION AND SAID, NOPE, I'M GOING TO UNENROLL MY STUDENT AND HOMESCHOOL THEM, THAT WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO THEN PARTICIPATE FROM HOMESCHOOL IN ATHLETICS OR UIL EVENTS THE FOLLOWING YEAR, THAT WOULD BE STUDENTS. YOU'RE SAYING IMPACT IN THE 2425? YOU'D BE LOOKING BACKWARDS BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO. OKAY, SO THE ADDITIONAL TWO HOMESCHOOL. AND SO WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM PARTICIPATE IN THE UPCOMING SCHOOL YEAR IF THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF DISENROLLMENT. 
          OKAY. A HOMESCHOOL STUDENT COULD JOIN AN ACTIVITY MID-SEASON IF NOT PROHIBITED BY ACTIVITY PROCEDURES. THIS GETS TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT EVENTS. AND ULTIMATELY, AS WE 
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DISCUSSED LAST WEEK, THE COACHES DIRECTORS HAVE LATITUDE ON WHO GETS TO MAKE THE TEAM OR EVENT BASED ON SPACE AVAILABLE FUNDING SLOTS, ETC. AND SO WE DID WANT TO MAKE A BLANKET STATEMENT THAT IT WOULD BE ALL OR NOTHING. IT'S IT WOULD BE UP TO THAT TEAM AND OR PROGRAM. IF THEY COULD FIT SAID STUDENT IN, THEN THEY WOULD ATTEMPT TO DO SO IF THEY COULD. THE DISTRICTS ARE ENTITLED TO THE $1,500 STIPEND PER STUDENT ENROLLED PER ACTIVITY. THIS BULLET GOT CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. 
          THE INTENT OF THAT IS OUR ASSUMPTION IS THAT $1,500 WOULD GO TO THE PROGRAM THAT THEY ARE ENROLLED IN, SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO ENROLL IN FOOTBALL, THEN THAT MONEY GOES TO SUPPORT THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN FOOTBALL. IF THEY'RE GOING TO ACQUIRE THAT 1500 WOULD GO TO SUPPORT CHOIR. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO PULL THAT MONEY TO REDISTRIBUTE SOMEWHERE ELSE. THAT IS AN ASSUMPTION. BUT IT IS WHEN WE PLANNED MOVING FORWARD, MR. RAINWATER. WOULD THAT $1,500 COME FROM BASED ON WHAT IT'S A TO ALLOTMENT THE STATE? I DON'T THINK A $1,500 ALLOTMENT WOULD COVER BAND UNIFORM ANYMORE, MUCH LESS THE TIME. ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT. SO YOU'RE TELLING ME IF A HOMESCHOOL STUDENT WANTS TO COME IN AND JOIN THE FOOTBALL TEAM AFTER THEY'VE WON DISTRICT AND GET INTO THE PLAYOFFS, THEN HE CAN. HE'S ALLOWED TO JOIN THAT TEAM. BECAUSE IT SAYS MID-SEASON, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING. OH YES. CAN WE TELL THEM? NO. WE CAN TELL THEM NO. WE DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THEM ONTO THE TEAM. WHEN I SAY CAN WE THERE'S A POTENTIAL WE MAKE. TELL THEM, THOUGH WE MAY TELL THEM NO BASED ON AGAIN, ALLOCATIONS, EVERYTHING ELSE AND THE COACHES. 
          IT'S A POSSIBILITY. WE'RE NOT SAYING NO TO IT. WE'RE ALSO NOT SAYING YES, THE COACH HAS THE AUTHORITY BASED ON HIS AVAILABLE RESOURCES, SLOTS, CLASSROOM TIME OF THE SEASON. THERE'S A LOT OF MULTITUDE OF FACTORS, BUT WE ALLOW IT FOR OTHER PEOPLE. WE COULD ALLOW IT FOR HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. FOR OUR MILITARY COMMUNITY. WE DO IT SO WE COULD ALLOW IT FOR HOMESCHOOL. AND THEN THERE'S CAMPUS WORKLOAD WOULD INCREASE FOR ENROLLMENT OVERSIGHT. THAT'S AN ASSUMPTION. BUT IF WE'RE ADDING MORE STUDENTS, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO INCREASE SOME WORKLOAD AND OVERSIGHT. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY STUDENTS AT WHICH CAMPUSES. CORRECT. I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. I SAID, I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT ASSUMPTION HERE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THIS. HOMESCHOOL KIDS GET TO KNOCK OUT ONE OF OUR KIDS, ONE OF OUR KIDS FROM PLAYING. YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ASSUMPTION TO ME. IT'S GOING TO KNOCK OUT ONE OF OUR KIDS. PLAYING FROM PLAYING ON A LEVEL. PLAYING FIELD IS SUPPORTED BY UIL. SO THAT'S TO ME THAT'S HORRIBLY UNFAIR TO OUR KISD KIDS CURRENTLY ENROLLED SIR. THANKS. YES MA'AM. IS THERE ANY STIPULATION IN THE BILL? I MEAN, THE LAW THAT SAYS THE HOMESCHOOL STUDENT WOULD ATTEND THE SCHOOL THAT'S CLOSEST TO WHERE THEY RESIDE? YES, MA'AM. IS THAT IN PRINT? THAT IS REQUIRED. THEY MUST ATTEND THE SCHOOL THAT IS CLOSEST TO THEIR TO THEIR RESIDENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MOVING INTO THE RISKS, THERE ARE POTENTIAL RISKS TO UI ELIGIBILITY THAT COULD IMPACT THE OVERALL TEAMS. IF WE FIND OUT THEY'RE VIOLATING. YOU KNOW, ONE EXAMPLE BROUGHT UP IS THE K-12 PROGRAM IS TECHNICALLY A PUBLIC SCHOOL PROGRAM. AND SO IF THEY WERE PARTICIPATING IN THAT AND SAID THEY WERE HOMESCHOOLED, THAT WOULD WOULD CREATE ELIGIBILITY ISSUES IF THEY VIOLATE THE 60 MINUTE RULE AND GET CAUGHT TAKING PRIVATE INSTRUCTION DURING DURING THE WEEK, DURING THE DAY, THAT WOULD VIOLATE ELIGIBILITY RULES THAT COULD HAVE IMPACTS ON TEAMS AND WINS, AND THE POTENTIAL FOR VACATING WINS AS WE MOVE FORWARD, OR ELIGIBILITY FOR COMPETITION AS YOU MOVE FORWARD. 
          MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. SO BACK TO MISS ADAMS QUESTION ABOUT THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE STUDENT LIVES. SO IF THE STUDENT LIVES ON KNIGHTS RIDGE, WHICH IS BEHIND HARKER HEIGHTS HIGH SCHOOL, THEIR CHOICE WOULD THEN BE HARKER HEIGHTS HIGH SCHOOL. IT WOULD NOT BE ELLISON. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE. MADAM. I'M ASSUMING THAT IF WE DID ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO STILL ENROLL IN OUR SCHOOL, EVEN IF IT WAS JUST FOR U.I.L, BECAUSE WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE RECORD OF THEM. YES, MA'AM. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WOULDN'T OUR SYSTEM CATCH IF THEY WERE ENROLLED IN K-12? I MEAN, DOESN'T IT SHOW US IF THEY'RE CURRENTLY ENROLLED SOMEWHERE ELSE? NO, NO, IT WOULD NOT, BECAUSE YOU COULD, THROUGH THE ATTENDANCE ACCOUNTING HANDBOOK CODE KIT TRACK ZERO, WHICH WOULD NOT SHOW UP FOR FUNDING PURPOSES, AND THEY WOULD JUST SHOW UP AS AN ENROLLED STUDENT FOR THE DISTRICT. OKAY, SO THERE'S NO WAY TO CATCH IT IF 
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THEY'RE IN K-12 TO PROTECT US. IT COULD BE WRONG, BUT MY GUT RIGHT NOW IS NO. OKAY. I WILL FOLLOW UP TO CONFIRM THAT, BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE DISTRICT, THAT IF THEY ARE IN K-12 AND THAT'S CONSIDERED PUBLIC SCHOOL, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY VIOLATIONS TO MAKE A TEAM INELIGIBLE. AND SO I'M JUST IF IT'S NOT, I JUST WAS WONDERING IF IT WOULD SHOW, BECAUSE TYPICALLY IF A CHILD IS ENROLLED SOMEWHERE, WE WOULD BE TRANSFERRING RECORDS OR SOMETHING. THEN I THINK I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION. THE ANSWER IS IF THEY WERE ENROLLED IN ANOTHER K-12 SCHOOL PUBLIC ED, IT WOULD DEFINITELY SHOW UP IN T REX. I GUESS T REX IS THE SYSTEM, SO YES. SO THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROTECT OURSELVES BECAUSE IF THEY ENROLLED FOR THE U.I.L, IT T REX WOULD CATCH IT. 
          OKAY. HOWEVER, AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS, IT WOULD NOT PICK UP IF THEY'VE ENROLLED IN A PRIVATE SCHOOL IN STATE OUT OF STATE, THINGS LIKE THAT. RIGHT. BUT IF IT'S IN A, IF IT'S IN ANOTHER TEXAS PUBLIC SCHOOL, THEN IT WOULD DEFINITELY PICK UP IN A T REX SYSTEM. OKAY. SO THEN THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER QUESTION. THEN IF IT IF A CHILD IS ENROLLED IN A PUBLIC, I'M SORRY, IN A PRIVATE SCHOOL AND THE SYSTEM IS NOT GOING TO CATCH THAT, WOULD A STUDENT WHO ENROLLED TO COME FOR US FOR UIL, COULD THAT DAMAGE OUR TEAM? YES. ONE REPORT TO YOU AND IT WOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION BY THE D.C. COMMITTEE, WHICH IS THE DISTRICT'S EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, WHICH WOULD PUT SOME ADDITIONAL PRESSURE ON THOSE PEOPLE. AND IF FOUND TO BE TRUE, THEN IT WOULD ANY GAME PROBABLY THAT HAS BEEN WON, LOST, WHATEVER WOULD BE THEN DECLARED A LOSS FOR THE DISTRICT AND COULD IMPACT EVERYTHING FROM STATE TITLES TO DISTRICT CHAMPIONSHIPS, WIN LOSSES. SO THEN REALLY, THERE'S NO WAY TO REALLY PROTECT OUR DISTRICT AND U-I-L ACTIVITIES ON THAT. 
          CORRECT? UNLESS WE WERE POLICING IT NONSTOP. MR. MINSON. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE ON THIS. MY POSITION IS THIS PEOPLE PAY TAXES. THEY LIVE HERE. THEY PAY TAXES FOR ALL THE SCHOOLS. THERE'S A SOCIAL BENEFIT THEY GET FROM THAT. HOWEVER, IF THEY WANT TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OF THE DISTRICT'S PROGRAMS, THAT THEY, BY THE WAY, PAY FOR, WE SHOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO IT. I THERE'S A LOT OF THIS DISCUSSION IS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO PEOPLE MAKING COMMENTS, NOBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS. WE'RE SAYING, WELL, WE THINK WE THINK, OKAY, JUST AND I'M GOING TO GIVE CREDIT TO MISS CAPITO. WE HAVE HOW MANY CAMPUSES? 53. HOW MANY? 53, 53. WHAT'S 114 DIVIDED BY 53? IT'S ABOUT TWO TWO KIDS PER CAMPUS. TWO. RIGHT. THIS WHOLE THIS NOTION THAT, WELL, IT'S OH, GOD, THESE 60 MINUTE RULE VIOLATIONS, THEY'RE JUST I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO TANK HARKER HEIGHTS FOOTBALL PROGRAM FOR SURE. NO, I MEAN, IF A COACH KNOWS ABOUT IT AND IS SAYING AND TURNING A BLIND EYE TO IT, I COULD SEE HOW THAT MIGHT COME BACK. YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN THEY RUN EXTRA PRACTICES OR THEY LET KIDS PLAY IN THE GYM, BUT THEY TURN A BLIND EYE TO IT. WE'VE SEEN THAT. THAT'S OBVIOUS. IF A KID IS DOING IT AND NOT TELLING IT. AND SOMEBODY FROM U-I-L GETS A REPORT OF IT AND THE COACH FIXES THE PROBLEM RIGHT THERE, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK ON THE DISTRICT. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS THAT. WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST MAKING THINGS UP. IF A KID GOES TO OR IS K-12, IS A PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM IS WHAT I IS. WHAT I HEAR BEING SAID IS THAT THE ONLY THE ONLY HOMESCHOOL PROGRAM THAT'S CONSIDERED A PUBLIC SCHOOL PROGRAM IN TEXAS. I COULD NOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION. RIGHT. AND, I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SOME WE'VE GOT TO TAKE SOME STEPS HERE. I MEAN, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO A CATHOLIC SCHOOL OR SOME OTHER KIND OF SCHOOL. YOU CAN JUST MAKE THE PARENTS SIGN SOMETHING THAT SAYS, HEY, LOOK, MY KID'S NOT ENROLLED IN ANY OF THEIR SCHOOL. HE'S HOMESCHOOLED. AND IF THE KID PARENTS WANT TO LIE ABOUT THAT AGAIN, LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS. TWO PER CAMPUS. WE'RE MAKING A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLEHILL. 
          THESE KIDS DESERVE TO PARTICIPATE. THE RISK? NOBODY HAS ARTICULATED WHAT THE RISK IS. I WOULD ARGUE TO YOU, IT'S NEXT TO NOTHING. KIDS, IF THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE, THEY PLAY BY THE SAME RULES. THEY HAVE TO MAKE ALL THE PRACTICES. THEY HAVE TO START WHEN THE PROGRAM STARTS, WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THIS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. BECAUSE IF WE WAIT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 1ST, WE'VE EFFECTIVELY VOTED NO. BUT WE'VE DONE IT IN A COWARDLY AND BACKDOOR WAY BY JUST NOT ALLOWING KIDS TO START WHEN THE REST OF THEM START. SO I SAY WE TAKE A VOTE ON IT TONIGHT. MY POSITION IS I AM ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF IT. NOBODY'S ARTICULATED A REAL IMPACT AND THE IMPACT IS SO SMALL I DON'T THINK WE EVEN FEEL IT, MADAM SECRETARY. MY CONCERN AND AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION, BUT MY CONCERN IS MORE FROM THE STUDENTS PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T KNOW HOW STUDENTS MIGHT FEEL ABOUT THIS. UNDERSTAND THIS 
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PRACTICE IF WE ALLOW IT, THAT HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS CAN COMPETE WITH THEM. THEY'RE ENROLLED ALL DAY, EVERY DAY AS A KISD STUDENT. THEY THEN PREPARE FOR A GAME THAT NIGHT OR WHATEVER ACTIVITY THEY'VE BEEN PHYSICALLY INVOLVED ALL DAY LONG, GOING FROM CLASS TO CLASS TO CLASS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A STUDENT WHO'S BEEN THERE ONE PERIOD GOES HOME. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THE STAMINA LEVELS OF THOSE STUDENTS WHO PHYSICALLY I KNOW WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT AS A STUDENT I WOULD BE CONCERNED. I DON'T HAVE THE STUDENT VOICE YET, AND THAT'S VERY CONCERNING FOR ME. 
          AND I'D WANT THEM. I WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY MIGHT FEEL ABOUT US ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN OR US NOT OPTING OUT. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL IT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET TO THE FUTURE ACTIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WE ARE RECOMMENDING, IF WE DO THIS, IS TO CONDUCT SURVEYS AT THE END OF EACH SEASON TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY CLIMATE CULTURE ISSUES ON THOSE TEAMS. IT COULD HAPPEN, IT COULD NOT. SO WE WOULD ASSESS THAT. BUT THERE IS NO WAY GOING IN. WE CAN'T DISPROVE A NEGATIVE. SO BUT WE'LL GO INTO IT AND SEE AND I'M SORRY, MY LAST COMMENT IS HOW IS THE CAMPUS LEADERSHIP STAFF OR WHATEVER MONITORING THESE STUDENTS COMING AND GOING? IS THERE A REQUIREMENT OF POLICY THAT SAYS THAT THEY'RE IN THE CLASS? THEY HAVE X NUMBER OF MINUTES TO VACATE THE CAMPUS? I MEAN, LOGISTICALLY, HOW DO WE THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT, MA'AM, IS THAT WE AS IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND WE ALLOW IT TO OCCUR, THEN WE WOULD MAKE SURE WE UPDATE ALL OF OUR PROCEDURES BETWEEN NOW AND THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT BASED ON BECAUSE IT'S IT DEPENDS ON WHICH HOUR THEY'RE COMING TO CAMPUS, WHETHER IT'S FIRST PERIOD BECAUSE IT'S A BAND CLASS OR LAST PERIOD, BECAUSE IT'S FOOTBALL. WE WOULD BUILD IN ACCOUNTABILITY PROCEDURES TO MAKE SURE THAT, YES, THEY ARE LEAVING THE CAMPUS WHEN DONE WITH THAT 60 MINUTE CLASS AND THEN SHOWING BACK UP FOR PRACTICE, WE WOULD HAVE TO UPDATE PROCEDURES FOR EVERY EVENT TO ACCOUNT FOR THE WHAT IFS, YOU KNOW, WHEN DO THEY SHOW UP FOR BUSSES, FOR AWAY TRANSPORTATION, PREGAME MEALS? YOU KNOW, WE WOULD DIVE INTO ALL OF THAT DEPENDING ON YOUR ALL'S ACTION TODAY OR OR AS A DECISION IS MADE. AND HOW COMFORTABLE IS YOUR TEAM IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM ON THEIR ABILITY TO PUT A SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT WILL NOT COMPROMISE OUR EXISTING STUDENT ATHLETES, BECAUSE THIS WILL BE BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL STUDENT ATHLETES. BUT MAKE NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, MY NUMBER ONE FOCUS ARE THE KIDS THAT TRUST US WITH THEIR EDUCATION AND WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES. BUT I'M REALLY TORN ON THIS ONE WHERE I STAND RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I'LL BE HONEST, I DO THINK NO ONE GETS TO OPT OUT OF PAYING TAXES, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND ON IT. AND SO I AM TRYING TO FIND THE RISK. AND SO THE FIRST ONE I GO IS, CAN WE IMPLEMENT A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT COMPROMISE OUR CURRENT STUDENT ATHLETES? HOW COMFORTABLE ARE WE WITH IT? WELL, YOU ASKED TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, SO COULD WE. YES. SHOULD WE I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE COMPROMISE IS, YOU KNOW, TO WHICH POINT IS IF WE'RE ALLOWING THEM IN, WE SHOULD TREAT THEM LIKE EVERY OTHER KISD STUDENT. SO IF THEY ARE THE BEST ATHLETE OR BEST PLAYER AND THEY HAVE PARTICIPATION TO JOIN, THEN I DON'T THINK WE ARTIFICIALLY HOLD THEM BACK OR SEGREGATE THEM IF THEY ARE, IF THEY WENT OUT IN A COMPETITION AND THEY'VE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ELIGIBILITY, THEN DO WE PUT A PROCEDURE IN PLACE TO LIMIT THAT AT THE, YOU KNOW, TO PROTECT AN ENROLLED STUDENT? SO WHEN I SAY THAT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SYSTEM WHERE WE TRACK THE K-12 STUFF, THE ELIGIBILITY, THE 60 MINUTE, BECAUSE HERE'S THE DEAL. 
          AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS FAIR, BUT IF WE IF WE CHOOSE TO NOT OPT OUT, WHICH BECAUSE BY DEFAULT WE WOULD BE IN, WE WOULD BE IN. AND IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG, I'M NOT GOING TO SIT UP HERE. I'LL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU AND SAY, OH, MR. HECKENBERG, THAT WAS MY FAULT. I'LL BE SAYING, WHY DID YOU MESS THAT UP? AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, WHAT IS THE CONFIDENCE LEVEL TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT WILL NOT RESULT IN THAT HAPPENING? I FEEL COMFORTABLE WE CAN MITIGATE THE RISK. TO MR. MINTZ'S POINT, IT'S A SMALL POPULATION. I BELIEVE IT WILL BE A SMALL POPULATION. SO I DO BELIEVE WE CAN MITIGATE THE RISK. AM I SAYING WE CAN ELIMINATE THE RISK ENTIRELY? NO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN UNREALISTIC EXPECTATION. BUT WE DO. I DO FEEL THAT WE HAVE THE TEAM IN PLACE AND A FRAMEWORK FOR RULES THAT CAN MITIGATE THAT RISK SIGNIFICANTLY. SO WE DON'T NEED ANY ADDITIONAL RESOURCES. DIDN'T SAY THAT. THAT'S A NO. 
          THAT'S A QUESTION. SO WE DON'T KNOW. THAT'S ONE OF OUR RISKS IS DEPENDING ON HOW MANY STUDENTS WE HAVE COME IN, IT MIGHT BE LARGER. WE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES MAY REQUIRE MORE CLASSROOM INSTRUCTION BECAUSE WE HAVE CLASSES, YOU KNOW, FINE ARTS SPECIFICALLY THAT ARE AT THE 
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UPPER END OF ENROLLMENT FOR ONE TEACHER. IF WE ADD MORE PEOPLE IN AND THEY QUALIFY, WE COULD POTENTIALLY ADD ADD IF WE WANTED TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY. IF WE DON'T STICK TO CERTAIN LIMITATIONS ON, WE DON'T GIVE OUT PARTICIPATION TROPHIES. BUT BUT WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE, ESPECIALLY IN THE CLASSES. IF I COULD SPEAK, FINE ARTS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S CO-CURRICULAR IN THAT, YOU KNOW, A STUDENT THAT'S IN THE BAND IS TAKING AND I'M I'LL GET THIS WRONG. SO HELP ME OUT. MORGAN. YOU KNOW WHEN D'ENSEMBLE AND PERCUSSION, WHICH THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING A FINE ARTS CREDIT FOR AS WELL INCLUDING ADVANCED CREDIT FOR THOSE THINGS. AND SO BUT IN THAT THAT SAID, IN ORDER TO BE IN THAT COURSE, YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE IN THE EXTRACURRICULAR PORTION OF THAT, WHICH IS WHY IT'S A CO-CURRICULAR REQUIREMENT. AND SO DID I ANSWER THAT APPROPRIATELY? YES. YOU DID. OKAY. WHAT IS THAT EXTRA, MISS DAVIES? WHAT IS THAT EXTRA WHEN YOU SAY. YES, EXPLAIN THAT DOCTOR FAYE REFERENCED THE EXTRA. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S BAND AND THEN THERE'S MARCHING BAND. MARCHING BAND IS EXTRACURRICULAR. IN ORDER TO BE IN THE MARCHING BAND, YOU MUST PARTICIPATE IN THE CURRICULAR BAND COURSE. SO THEY MEET DURING THE SCHOOL DAY FOR MARCHING BAND IN THE FALL IN THE BAND CLASS, WHICH THEN BECOMES CONCERT BAND, SYMPHONIC BAND, WIND ENSEMBLE, AND THE SPRING AND THEN EXTRACURRICULAR. BECAUSE IT'S A COMPETITIVE EVENT, THEY MARCH IN THE MARCHING BAND AND PRACTICE AFTER SCHOOL. AND MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN SPORT? RIGHT. BECAUSE WE HAVE FOOTBALL CLASS AND WE HAVE BASKETBALL, BUT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE IN THAT CLASS TO BE IN THAT SPORT AND AN AFTER SCHOOL BASIS. SO IT IS A CO-CURRICULAR REQUIREMENT IN THE CURRICULUM DEFINED BY THE STATE. I BELIEVE THAT SAYS IN ORDER TO BE IN THIS, YOU HAVE TO BE IN THIS, WHEREAS IN ATHLETICS IT'S VERY DIFFERENT. I CAN BE IN FOOTBALL AFTER HOURS BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO BE THE NATIONAL MERIT SCHOLAR, AND I'M TAKING AP COURSES AND THAT'S FINE. SO MADAM CAPITO, OKAY, I WANT TO VISIT THE NUMBER AGAIN BECAUSE IT IS TRUE THAT I MY THOUGHT WAS IF THERE ARE 53 CAMPUSES AND 114 STUDENTS, BUT THAT'S HOW MANY UNENROLLED LAST YEAR, THAT ACTUALLY IS CUMULATIVE FROM PREVIOUS YEARS. SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE 600 HOMESCHOOL KIDS IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'M JUST THINKING ALL THIS THROUGH. 
          SORRY. I MEAN, THIS IS A VERY I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS A COMPLEX ISSUE. I UNDERSTAND SOME PEOPLE DON'T THINK IT IS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S ALSO TWO THERE'S TWO SIDES TO THIS. I'M REALLY KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH THIS. MR. MINTZ. LET'S SAY THE NUMBER IS 600. OKAY. THAT'S 600 KIDS DIVIDED BY 52 CAMPUSES, HIGH SCHOOLS. OKAY, OKAY. OKAY, WHATEVER. IT'S STILL 2020. YEAH. 
          IT'S OKAY. IT'S STILL NOT A VERY BIG NUMBER. CORRECT. IF YOU HAD IF LIVE OAK RIDGE MIDDLE SCHOOL HAD TEN EXTRA KIDS, THEN WE EXPECTED HAD TEN FAMILIES. AND THOSE KIDS WANTED TO JOIN THE BAND. PRETTY SURE WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT. I AGREE, MR. HECKENBERG. LIKE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY AN ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL COST FOR ALL OF THIS STUFF, LIKE AS DEFINED IN A WHOLE NUMBER OF WAYS. BUT THIS IS, THIS IS THIS IS REALLY LOW RISK, LOW COST. AND THESE BY THE WAY, THESE PARENTS PAY FOR THIS, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. SO A COUPLE THINGS SINCE OUR LAST DISCUSSION TO MAKE ME FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT OPTING IN, AND THAT IS JUST STAYING IN. STAYING IN IS THAT IT'S JUST OUR FOOTPRINT THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BRING IN COPPERAS COVE AND SALADO AND BELTON AND TEMPLE AND ALL THOSE OTHER DISTRICTS. SO THAT MAKES ME FEEL A LOT BETTER, BECAUSE JUST HOLD THAT THOUGHT. WE WOULD HAVE TO STIPULATE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE. THAT'S ANOTHER POINT. YES, EXACTLY. AND THAT WAS ON MY NOTE. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT BY THE STATE REQUIREMENT OR REGULATIONS. AND THEN THE PIECE ABOUT ONE OF THESE KIDS COMING IN AND JEOPARDIZING OUR STANDARD, I'M SORRY, WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUDENTS THAT OUR UIL PROGRAMS THAT JEOPARDIZE COULD JEOPARDIZE OUR STANDARDS ANY DAY, ALL DAY LONG. SO A COUPLE MORE STUDENTS, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, DON'T GIVE THEM THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE AN ACCIDENT ON THE ROAD. SO THAT PART I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. AND THE OTHER PART THAT MADE ME COMFORTABLE WAS THAT WE CAN WE CAN OPT WE CAN STAY IN WITHOUT OPTING OUT FOR A YEAR AND SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT. AND THEN IF IT 
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SEEMS TO BE TOO BURDENSOME OR UNMANAGEABLE OR WE GET A THOUSAND KIDS WE CAN'T HANDLE, THEN WE HAVE CHOICES. THE FOLLOWING YEAR. I PARTICULARLY LIKE THAT VERY MUCH. AND SO OPTING OUT IS EASY THING. WE JUST DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER. SO LIKE I SAID, I WAS VERY TORN ABOUT THIS BACK AND FORTH. I DO SUPPORT PARENTS CHOICE IN THEIR EDUCATION. AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID WE NEED TO BE THE BETTER CHOICE. WE NEED TO BE THE BEST CHOICE THAT'S IN OUR COMMUNITY AND PARENTS WANT WE WANT OUR PARENTS TO EMBRACE US. 
          SO I I'M WILLING TO SAY I'M WILLING TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE, SIR, IF I MAY. YES, SIR. ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SO WE ARE CURRENTLY OUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT OPTED IN TO HOMESCHOOL PARTICIPATION IN THE PAST. SO WE ARE CURRENTLY OUT. SO WE ARE NOT ALLOWING HOMESCHOOL PARTICIPATION IN ATHLETICS CURRENTLY. WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM IN UNTIL 1ST SEPTEMBER BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE LAW TAKES PLACE. SO TO YOUR POINT, THEY WOULD NOT. AND WE'LL GET TO IT IN THE NEXT SLIDE WHEN WE GET THERE. BUT FALL SPORTS AND SOME OF THE PARTICIPATION FINE ARTS THAT TEAMS WERE ALREADY SET, THOSE WOULD NOT BE OPEN FOR THE START OF 25, 26 BECAUSE THE LAW TAKES PLACE ON 1ST SEPTEMBER AND WE ARE CURRENTLY OUT BECAUSE WE OPTED OUT FOR THIS CURRENT THIS YEAR FOR 24, 25, WE OPTED OUT. MR. MINTZ. SO TWO THINGS POINT WELL TAKEN. A IF WE'RE GOING TO OPT OR IF AS A PROCEDURAL MATTER. SO I THINK THAT MR. HECKENBERG I THINK WE JUST VOTE ON IT. LIKE WE CAN JUST VOTE TODAY AND SAY, WE SAID WE WERE UP AND NOW WE'RE IN. RIGHT? BECAUSE IF WE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE THERE'S ANYTHING THAT PROHIBITS US FROM DOING THAT. MY NEXT QUESTION AND THEN I'LL, I'LL BE QUIET IS I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO NOT OPT OUT, DO WE HAVE WHEN WE OPT DO SHOULD WE OR DO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE TO SAY WE'RE NOT OPTING OUT? HOWEVER, WE'RE PLACING THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS, AS YOU'VE, I THINK CORRECTLY, INTO WHAT MR. JONES WAS SAYING AS WELL. LOOK, IF YOU'RE IN OUR FOOTPRINT, YOU CAN COME IN, YOU'RE GOING TO THE SCHOOL THAT'S CLOSEST. YOU HAVE TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT EVERY OTHER KID HAS TO MEET. SO PROCEDURALLY, COULD WE TAKE A VOTE TONIGHT AND LOOK, MAYBE IT DOESN'T PASS, BUT AT LEAST IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT, VOTE TO DO IT WITH RESTRICTIONS AND THEN THAT WOULD OPEN IT UP FOR KIDS OR NOT OPEN IT UP IF WE DON'T PASS IT FOR KIDS TO BEGIN THE NEXT YEAR. AND SO. WHAT, MR. RAINWATER, I THINK IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE TO NOT. OPT OUT. THE SPIRIT OF UIL. I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I WAS THE DISTRICT CHAIRMAN FOR FIVE YEARS AND BECAUSE AS A HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL FOR 23 YEARS, IT'S AMAZING WHAT A PARENT WILL DO TO GET THEIR CHILD IN A GOOD ATHLETIC PROGRAM. AND THAT CREATES INCREDIBLE DIFFICULTIES FOR THE DISTRICT AND FOR THE SCHOOL. AND THE REALITY OF THAT IS, NO ONE'S GOING TO SAY A WORD UNTIL YOU GET INTO BI-DISTRICT PLAYOFFS OR UNTIL YOU WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP. THE POSSIBILITY OF RECRUITING THESE KIDS AND TRYING TO DEVELOP DYNAMIC PROGRAMS BASED ON THE KIDS WE'RE ABLE TO RECRUIT IN. AND I AGREE WITH MISS JONES. THAT'S A VERY GRAY AREA. BUT NOW UIL IS VIRTUALLY SAID IF YOU TRANSFER DISTRICTS HERE IN THE SCHOOL YEARS, IT'S FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES AND YOU'RE INELIGIBLE, WHICH WOULD BE A BIG BENEFIT. BUT I THINK THAT PLACES TOO MUCH CHALLENGE ON OUR COACHES AND OUR TEACHERS AND OUR STAFFS. IN ADDITION, THE ACADEMIC REQUIREMENTS FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE THAN THE ACADEMIC CHALLENGES BEFORE. FOR OUR KIDS. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I THINK IT'S JUST A BAD IDEA TO LET THOSE KIDS COME ACROSS. AND IN ALL CANDOR, THE $1,500 OR WHAT'S THAT TOKEN AMOUNT? I MEAN, WE'RE PAYING WE'RE NOW GOING TO GIVE THESE HOMESCHOOL KIDS TAXPAYER MONIES TO GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOL, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE PUBLIC SCHOOL $1,500 PITTANCE TO LET THESE KIDS PLAY, BE IN SPORTS. $1,500 COULD COVER A BAND, A BAND UNIFORM OR AN INSTRUMENT COULD COVER THE MARCHING FIELD, COULDN'T COVER THE TRANSPORTATION, COULDN'T COVER THE 3 OR 4 BAND DIRECTORS THAT WE HAVE. WOULDN'T COVER THE COST OF THE FOOTBALL STAFF. IN FACT, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN BUY THEIR LUNCH SOME DAYS. SO I JUST THINK IT'S A VERY BAD IDEA AND WE SHOULDN'T DO IT. MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, SO YOU WERE SAYING THAT IF WE WERE TO OPT INTO THIS 
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PROGRAM BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IN IT RIGHT NOW, CORRECT. THAT. AND I REMEMBER EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, I'M NOT A FOOTBALL OR BASKETBALL OR A SPORTS PERSON. SO ARE THEY PRACTICING FOOTBALL RIGHT NOW? NO, MA'AM. ARE THEY DOING BAND PRACTICE RIGHT NOW? NO, MA'AM. SO WHEN DOES ALL OF THAT START? SO LET ME FINISH THIS SLIDE, MA'AM, AND THEN WE'LL GET TO THAT NEXT SLIDE. IT HAS DATES ALIGNED FOR EACH TIME OKAY. LET ME GET ONE MORE INTERRUPTION IN. SO TO MR. MINTZ A STATEMENT TO ALL THE OPT IN STUFF. SO THE LAW THAT TAKES EFFECT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY PUT US IN ON SEPTEMBER 1ST. CORRECT. IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE BASED ON EXISTING LAW PRIOR TO WHAT WAS JUST ADOPTED, TO OPT IN RIGHT NOW? DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? BECAUSE THAT WINDOW PROBABLY EXISTED AT SOME POINT IN TIME. SO HOW WOULD YOU JUST DO WE EVEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO ARBITRARILY SAY, HEY, WE'RE OPTING IN RIGHT NOW SO THEY CAN GET OUT AND BE ELIGIBLE FOR FOOTBALL PRACTICE ON THE FIRST DAY, BECAUSE DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE SO THIS I HAVE IT KIND OF WRITTEN DOWN BECAUSE I'M TRACKING WHAT MR. MINTZ IS SAYING. AND THEN I WOULD DEFER. 
          THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE OUR ATTORNEY HERE. RIGHT. BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON TONIGHT, THE PRESENTATION IS ABOUT OPTING IN TO THE NEW LAW THAT SAYS, RIGHT, OR WE'RE NOT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH ALLOWING HOMESCHOOL KIDS TO PLAY AT KISD THAT ARE WITHIN OUR ATTENDANCE ZONE BASED ON THOSE RULES, THOSE RESTRICTIONS THAT BEGIN SEPTEMBER 1ST. THAT'S THE ACTION THAT WE HAVE CREATED AN ACTION SHEET FOR. WHAT I ASKING WITH ATTORNEYS IS, COULD WE THEN IN TURN ADD TO THAT AN ACTION ITEM? THAT SAID, WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A CHANGE TO CURRENT OPT OUT AND OPT IN. FOR PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 1ST. BUT IS THAT EVEN LEGALLY POSSIBLE? NOT. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ACTION. I'M SAYING BASED ON HOW THE LAW IS WRITTEN AND BASED ON THE EXISTING HOMESCHOOL LAWS THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT WE HAVE OPTED OUT OF, WHEN DOES THAT EXPIRE? THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO CREATE ANOTHER MANEUVER TO OPT. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING, MR. MINTZ? YES. 
          AND IN THE BOARD BOOK, IT'S JUST SIMPLY BOARD POLICY THAT SAYS SCHOOL HOMESCHOOLERS CAN'T PARTICIPATE. IT'S OUR POLICY. WE CAN VOTE. I MEAN, I JOEY, I DON'T KNOW, YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IF WE'RE GETTING OUT OF BOUNDS BY VOTING ON IT. I'M NOT SAYING IF WE WERE TO VOTE ON IT. TWO ISSUES. TWO ISSUES. RIGHT. WHETHER IT'S PROPERLY BEFORE THE BOARD RIGHT NOW ABOUT WHAT ARE Y'ALL TELLING ME, PUT THAT MICROPHONE DOWN AND GO TO THE PODIUM. YES. THANK YOU. YES. 
          SO TWO QUESTIONS RIGHT. THE QUESTIONS OF WHAT'S PROPERLY BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT. AND THEN IF WE COULD DO THAT OTHER THING, I DON'T THINK TO DOCTOR FAYE'S POINT TAKING ACTION REGARDING WHAT OUR POLICY CURRENTLY IS AS THE LAW STANDS NOW IS NOT ON YOUR AGENDA. WHAT YOU ARE POSTED FOR IS MOVING FORWARD. THE SECOND QUESTION THOUGH OF COULD YOU DO IT CURRENTLY, AS WE STAND UNTIL WHAT? SEPTEMBER 1ST IS JUST THE GENERAL PROVISION THAT A SCHOOL DISTRICT MAY ALLOW CHILDREN TO PARTICIPATE IF THEY WANT. THAT'S THE CURRENT STATUS. IT WILL BE FLIPPED ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, WHICH IS YOU WILL ALLOW IT UNLESS YOU OPT OUT. SO TO YOUR QUESTION, COULD YOU HAVE DONE THAT IF YOU WERE POSTED FOR IT? YES. YOU ARE NOT POSTED TO TAKE ACTION IN THAT VEIN TONIGHT, BUT YOU COULD DO THAT AT ANOTHER MEETING. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. I'M GONNA LET YOU GET THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. SO I'LL GET TO THE THREE OPPORTUNITIES. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE RISKS. THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE, YOU KNOW, DISTRICT TEAMS AND EVENTS IMPROVEMENTS COULD IMPROVE PERFORMANCE WITH INCREASED TALENT POOL. WE COULD DO BETTER IN FINE ARTS. WE COULD DO BETTER ON THE FIELDS OF ATHLETICS WITH INCREASED TALENT AND ADDITIONAL SKILLS FROM OTHER KIDS. THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR KISD. THE OTHER OPPORTUNITY IS KIDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING HOMESCHOOLED. BY COMING TO SCHOOL FOR THAT ONE HOUR A DAY, PARTICIPATING IN ATHLETICS OR FINE ARTS MAY DECIDE, MOM, I REALLY WANT TO GO BACK TO KISS. I WANT TO GO BACK TO IN-SCHOOL LEARNING, AND THEY COULD COME BACK TO US AS ENROLLED STUDENTS AND THEN FUNDING, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THIS REALLY HAVING TO HIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF. SO THERE'S FUNDING FOR CERTAIN ACTIVITIES. WHILE I AGREE WITH YOU, SIR, IT MAY NOT COVER ALL THINGS. IT WOULD BE AN INCREASE FOR CERTAIN EVENTS, YOU KNOW, FOR CERTAIN SPORTS THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD MAKE USE OF THAT FUNDING BECAUSE IT IS $1,500 PER EVENT. SO IF THEY ARE A THESPIAN AND A SINGER, THAT'S $3,000, $1,500 FOR EACH EVENT THAT THEY 
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COULD THEN CONTRIBUTE TO. SO IT'S WE VIEW THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE SCHEDULE. SO ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. SO THIS IS THE CURRENT SCHEDULE AND FINE ARTS IS ON THE NEXT SLIDE. WE'LL GET TO IT UIL SPORTS. SO THIS IS ALL OF THE SPORTS BY THEIR FIRST DAY OF PRACTICE. AND WHEN THEY WOULD STUDENTS WOULD REALLY EFFECTIVELY YOU KNOW THEY'VE ALREADY MISSED MOST OF THE SUMMER WORKOUTS. BUT THIS IS THE FIRST DAY OF PRACTICE. SO THEY WOULD NEED TO BE ENROLLED ON THAT CAMPUS PRIOR TO THAT. AND THAT INCLUDES PHYSICALS, THEIR GRADE VERIFICATION OF STANDARDIZED TESTING. ALL THE PROCESS PIECES TO BE ENROLLED WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN PLACE BEFORE THIS DATE. AND SO YOU CAN SEE IF WE OPERATE ON THE CURRENT ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE OUT UNTIL 1ST SEPTEMBER, FALL SPORTS ARE KIND OF OVERCOME BY EVENTS AT THIS POINT, AND THE PARTICIPATION WOULD LIKELY NOT OCCUR BECAUSE THOSE ROSTERS ARE SET, THE TEAMS ARE SET. THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED PRACTICE BEFORE 1ST SEPTEMBER ROLLS AROUND. THAT COULD OBVIOUSLY BE ADJUSTED. AND YOU KNOW, THE KEY TAKEAWAY IS, AGAIN, IF THE COACH CAN FIND A WAY TO FIT THEM IN ON THE HANDS IN THE AIR, THAT MEANS IT'S URGENT, MR. GILCHRIST. OKAY. YOU SAID EARLIER THAT A COACH COULD ALLOW A CHILD IN IN MID-SEASON. 
          NOW YOU'RE SAYING THEY CAN'T GET IN IN THE FALL SPORTS? I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE IT'S COULD. 
          IT'S UP TO THE COACH'S DISCRETION. BUT YOU JUST SAID THEY CAN'T GET IN. WELL, NO. 
          ONCE. ONCE WE'RE ONCE WE OPT ONCE WE THE LAW TAKES IT PLACE. SEPTEMBER 1ST. THEY COULD COME IN MID-SEASON. RIGHT. THIS IS BEFORE THE LAW TAKES PLACE. OKAY. SO IF YOU ALL MAKE A CHANGE AS DISCUSSED, THAT THAT WOULD REVAMP WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THIS. AND THEN IT REALLY DOES BECOME COACH'S DISCRETION. YOU KNOW, IT'S EASIER FOR SOME OF THE INDIVIDUAL SPORTS GOLF TEAM TENNIS, CROSS COUNTRY TO PROBABLY JOIN OR WHEREAS THE FOOTBALL ROSTER ISN'T, YOU KNOW, FALL PRACTICE STARTING SOON, MAYBE NOT. SO THE COACH WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKER IN THAT BASED ON AVAILABLE RESOURCES IN TEAM ROSTERS, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A SAFE ASSUMPTION TO SAY THAT. JOE AND MORE. COME TO THAT THAT MICROPHONE SO THEY CAN HEAR IT. 
          IF YOU CHANGE YOUR POLICY TONIGHT, THAT'S YOUR POLICY, OKAY. IT DOESN'T HAVE YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY THIS DOESN'T TAKE EFFECT TILL SEPTEMBER 1ST. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. EVEN THOUGH THE EVEN THOUGH THE LAW IS WRITTEN THAT IT'S SEPTEMBER, IT JUST SAYS THE LAW SAYS IF YOU DON'T TAKE ACTION BY SEPTEMBER 1ST, THERE WILL COME. IT'LL BECOME AUTOMATIC, IT'LL BECOME AUTOMATIC. IT'S NOT SAYING THIS CAN'T BE TAKE EFFECT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 1ST. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THE BOARD WAS VERY CONFUSED ABOUT THAT. OH WE ARE BECAUSE I WAS ABOUT TO I WAS ABOUT TO MAKE A STATEMENT OF SAYING ALL THESE SPORTS RIGHT HERE. YOU MIGHT AS WELL SAY NO, HOMESCHOOLERS ARE GOING TO MAKE IF THIS BOARD PASSES THIS POLICY TONIGHT. TO MR. MINTZ'S POINT, IF YOU IF YOU PASS THE POLICY TONIGHT, THAT IS YOUR POLICY TONIGHT. TONIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. SO, MISS MOORE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE ARE THE OPTION IS TO IS TO JUST EVEN THOUGH WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA IS SENATE BILL. WHAT IS IT 401. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT PURSUANT TO THAT WE CAN JUST MAKE A CHANGE TO OUR POLICY IN ADVANCE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT BILL. THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS A POLICY, I BELIEVE, TO SAY IT'S NOT ALLOWED. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS. 
          RIGHT? SO CORRECT. CORRECT. WE HAVE A WRITTEN POLICY THAT IS NOT THAT. YEAH OKAY OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT. SO IF YOU DECIDE THEN TO. NOT CHANGE YOUR POLICY OR TO ALLOW THIS TO TAKE EFFECT, YOU COULD JUST SAY THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. RIGHT. SO YOU COULD YOU COULD DO THAT. AND YOU DON'T JUST HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE DEFAULT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL SEPTEMBER 1ST. IT WOULD BE YOUR POLICY. YOU'RE SUPER NUTS. YOU ARE 100% POSITIVE ON THAT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE SQUIRMING IN THEIR SEATS. WE MAKE THAT DECISION AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKE, ARE YOU SURE THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE RISK FOR THEM? WE MIGHT MAKE THE DECISION, BUT THE RISK REALLY IS WHAT OUR FOOTBALL, VOLLEYBALL, GOLF AND ALL THESE COACHES, AND THEY BRING A KID IN AND THEN SOMEBODY COMES BACK AND SAYS, HEY, THAT HAPPENED BEFORE. NOT DOUBTING YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. 
          WELL, YES, BECAUSE THIS BOARD ALWAYS HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW NON ENROLLED STUDENTS. IT'S JUST THE ONLY DIFFERENCE HERE IS WHETHER IT BECOMES AUTOMATIC AFTER SEPTEMBER 1ST OR NOT. YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ALLOW THAT. AND IF YOU MAKE THAT CHANGE, IF YOU MAKE THAT DECISION TONIGHT, THAT IS YOUR POLICY EFFECTIVE TONIGHT. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT POLICY YOU END UP PASSING OR IF YOU PASS ANY POLICY TONIGHT. BUT DEPENDING ON 
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THAT LANGUAGE, THAT'S WILL BE YOUR POLICY OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MR. MINTZ. NO, I MEAN, I'M GOOD. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK MISS CAPUTO MAY HAVE A QUESTION. 
          MADAM CAPUTO, I THOUGHT WE COULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT POSTED. NO. SO STRIKE ALL THAT FROM YOUR YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS NOT TO. IT'S. WE'RE WE'RE REFERENCING WHAT IS POSTED, THE POLICY THAT IS POSTED. DOES THAT PROVIDE CLARIFICATION TO YOU OR WE NEED JOEY TO COME BACK AGAIN. 
          OKAY. IT'S YOUR SHOW AGAIN, MR. HECKENBERG. OKAY, SO I WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE WHETHER OR NOT WE MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT OR TOMORROW OR SEPTEMBER 1ST, I STILL BELIEVE SOME OF THE THINGS IN MORE TO THE FINE ARTS WITH THE SPORTS. IT STILL IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO COACH'S DISCRETION ON WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE MAKES THAT TEAM OR PARTICIPATES IN THAT EVENT, BECAUSE SOME OF THE FINE ARTS TEAMS AND ROSTERS WERE ALSO TRY OUTS WERE CONDUCTED IN THE SPRING, THAT WOULD SET THOSE TEAMS IN AND AGAIN WITHOUT COMMITTING ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, FUNDS, ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTION. 
          WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THAT IF WE DECIDE TO BRING THOSE FOLKS INTO THOSE EVENTS. NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR IT, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE ON THAT TEAM THIS YEAR. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE ALLOWED AS A HOMESCHOOL STUDENT, YOU HAVE THE ELIGIBILITY TO PARTICIPATE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU GET A SLOT ON THAT TEAM OR ACTIVITY, BECAUSE WE MAY NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO SUPPORT IT. WE DO THAT CURRENTLY WITH STUDENTS WHO WANT TO BE IN AN EVENT AND MAY NOT BE IN IT BECAUSE THERE'S LIMITED RESOURCES AND SPACE. SO BUT THAT DOES SOMEWHAT NEGATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ON THESE TWO SLIDES IN TERMS OF THE DATES OF WHEN EVENTS START. ULTIMATELY, IT WOULD BOIL DOWN TO COACH'S DISCRETION AND AVAILABILITY TO INSERT THOSE CHILDREN INTO THE SPECIFIC PROGRAMS BASED ON RESOURCES. NEXT SLIDE. AND HERE'S THE FINE ARTS. YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY START PRACTICE. AND SOME OF THESE TEAMS HAVE OR SOME OF THESE ROSTERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN LOCKED IN BASED ON TRYOUTS THAT OCCURRED IN THE SPRING. SO. 
          LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT. AND SO CURRENTLY WHEN A HOMESCHOOL STUDENT, WE REGISTER THEM ONLINE. THERE'S A LINK ON THE ON THE, ON THE PAGE THAT DIRECTS THEM TO THE CAMPUS FOR STUDENT SERVICES TO ENROLL THEIR STUDENTS. WE WOULD DO THE GRADE LEVEL VERIFICATION. WE WOULD NEED TO DO A HOMESCHOOL TRANSCRIPT FROM AN ACCREDITED PROGRAM IF POSSIBLE, OR WE WOULD HAVE THEM DO A GRADE PLACEMENT TEST. THIRD PARTY. THIS GETS BACK INTO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE WE NEED TO ASSIGN THEM TO A GRADE LEVEL, SO WE KNOW HOW MANY YEARS THEY HAVE OF ELIGIBILITY BECAUSE THERE ARE RULES IN UIL GOVERNING ATHLETIC PARTICIPATION BASED ON YOUR AGE AND WHAT GRADE LEVEL YOU'RE IN. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A BASELINE FOR THESE FOLKS COMING IN TO ESTABLISH THAT. SO THAT'S THE CURRENT WHAT WE'RE DOING. AS WE DID OUR DILIGENCE THROUGH THIS, WE ACTUALLY FOUND THAT WE HAD A FEW JROTC STUDENTS WHO WERE HOMESCHOOLED, WHO WERE ALREADY ENROLLED IN KISD DOING THAT THROUGH JROTC. SO NOT U.I.L, BUT A VERY SIMILAR AGREEMENT THAT WE WERE HAVING JROTC KIDS AT HARKER HEIGHTS ENROLLED. THEY WERE IN TEAMS. THEY HAD A SCHEDULE, THEY HAD A STUDENT ID NUMBER. AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD MODEL WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FUTURE WITH HOMESCHOOL KIDS FOR UIL OFF WHAT WE DID WITH JROTC. SAY THAT AGAIN. WE HAD JROTC STUDENTS, HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS PARTICIPATING IN JROTC AT ONE OF OUR HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUSES, AND THEY WERE ENROLLED TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT SPECIFIC EVENT. THEY CAME TO THE CLASS FOR JROTC DURING THE DAY, PARTICIPATED IN JROTC EVENTS AFTER SCHOOL, AND WE HAD THEM ENROLLED, HAD A STUDENT ID NUMBER. THEY MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT PROGRAM TO BE ENROLLED FOR THAT, AND WE WILL MODEL THAT, USE THAT AS OUR MODEL TO GROW THIS OUT FOR HOMESCHOOL PARTICIPATION. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? BECAUSE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT. AND SO THAT WAS A WHO MADE THAT DECISION. I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER. I CAN GET BACK TO YOU. I HAVE NO IDEA. WE DON'T KNOW WHO MADE I DO NOT KNOW, I CAN I BELIEVE THERE'S A LAW THAT REQUIRES HOMESCHOOLERS TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN JROTC. 
          OKAY, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. YEAH. STATE THAT ONE MORE TIME, MISS MOORE. I BELIEVE THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN A JROTC PROGRAM. 
          THANK YOU. SORRY. MR. MINTZ, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE POLICY HERE. IT SAYS NOT ENROLLED STUDENT SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED TO PARTICIPATE IN EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES. SO I 
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DON'T THINK THAT'S NOT NOTWITHSTANDING THE STATE LAW. I DON'T THINK IT'S IN VIOLATION OF OUR POLICY. YEAH. AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS. I DIDN'T EXPECT YOU TO PRESENT THAT TONIGHT. SO, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. I JUST. THERE'S SO MANY WHAT IFS. THERE'S SO MANY POSSIBILITIES. IF YOU'RE A STATISTICIAN, THIS IS YOUR GAME BECAUSE YOU CAN GO EITHER WAY. AND I THINK WHILE I WAS SITTING HERE THINKING ABOUT COVID AND HOW MANY KIDS COULDN'T WAIT TO GET BACK TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO GET BACK INTO THE PUBLIC SYSTEM THAT ALLOWED THEM TO SOCIALIZE, I COULDN'T IMAGINE MY CHILDREN WANTING ME TO BE THEIR HOMESCHOOL MOTHER. THEY WOULD BE VOLUNTEERING TO WALK TO SCHOOL, SO I JUST THINK WE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT MANY HOMESCHOOL KIDS OUT THERE THAT ARE GOING TO POUNCE ONTO THIS PROGRAM THAT ARE IN THAT OUR COMMUNITY, OUR FOOTPRINT, AND WHEN THEY HAVE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS OR STRUCTURES THAT SAYS THEY CAN'T GO TO ELLISON IF THEY LIVE IN HARKER HEIGHTS, I THINK THAT IS ALSO GOING TO PRECLUDE THEM FROM MAKING SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS TO JUMP ON BOARD. AND SO I, I, LIKE I SAID, I'M, I THINK WE DON'T HAVE ANY HARM OR FOUL BY TRYING IT FOR A YEAR, AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS BACK OUT OF IT IF WE NEED TO. 
          BUT EVERY TIME I COME INTO THIS BOARD ROOM AND WE TALK ABOUT ACADEMICS, WE TALK ABOUT OUR SPORTS PROGRAMS AND OUR CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND HOW THEY BETTER OUR STUDENTS, HOW THEY BETTER OUR COMMUNITY, HOW THEY DO ALL OF THESE THINGS. SO AT THIS POINT, I SAY, LET'S EMBRACE IT. WE HAVE AN OPTION. WE CAN DECIDE NOT TO DO IT SHOULD IT BECOME TOO BURDENSOME OR AN ABSOLUTE CHAOTIC NIGHTMARE. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND ON AT THIS POINT. WE COULD BE HERE ALL DAY LONG. WHAT IF, WHAT IF, WHAT IF TWISTING OUR HANDS. MY ONE CONCERN WHEN I TALK, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE COACHES, WHEN YOU SAY THE COACH HAS THE DECISION WHO HE'S GOING TO, HE OR SHE WILL PUT ON THEIR TEAM, I WOULD HOPE THERE WOULDN'T. IF WE DO THIS, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC BIAS TO THOSE KIDS AND THEY WOULD GIVE THEM THE FAIR SHARE. AND I AM WILLING TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD. YES, MA'AM. IF YOU WOULD GO FORWARD TWO SLIDES, PLEASE. SO BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT POSSIBLE DECISIONS, I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER VERY QUICKLY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE AT SOME POINT IN TIME THERE'S GOING TO BE A PAUSE SO I CAN ASK A FEW QUESTIONS. I'M JUST PATIENTLY WAITING SO I CAN PAUSE RIGHT NOW. GO AHEAD. I'M READY. OKAY, SO FOR ME. I KNOW THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR ABUSE. THERE ALWAYS IS. AND THERE'S ABUSE TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW. OKAY, I THINK ABOUT THE KID THAT IS HOMESCHOOLED BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON THAT IS LEGIT, WHETHER IT'S ISSUES BEING AROUND LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE OR JUST ISSUES WHERE THEY MIGHT HAVE BEHAVIOR ISSUES BEING IN LARGE GROUPS, BUT IF THEY'RE ABLE TO BE AT HOME AND FUNCTION PROPERLY, GET A GOOD EDUCATION. BUT MAYBE THAT KID CAN FUNCTION IN THAT CONTROLLED ATHLETIC ENVIRONMENT OF PLAYING WHATEVER SPORT IT MAY BE. AND SO I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THAT, CAUSE I TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS TO, TO, TO PAY TAXES. AND I'LL, I'LL BE HONEST. I MEAN, ALL I KNOW IS KSD K THROUGH 12. OKAY. AND IF A HOMESCHOOL KID WALKED INTO KILLEEN HIGH SCHOOL BACK WHEN I WAS THERE PLAYING BASKETBALL, I MEAN, WE MIGHT HAVE SAID, YOU BETTER HAVE SOME GAME BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO RUN YOU UP OUT OF HERE, YOU KNOW? BUT IF YOU CAME IN THERE AND YOU HAD GAME, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE LIKE, MAN, LET'S GO GET THIS CHAMPIONSHIP. I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE WHAT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF, I WANT TO SAY THIS BECAUSE, SEE, I CARE WHAT THE COACHES THINK, I HAVE NO DESIRE TO TAKE ANY AUTHORITY FROM A COACH'S ABILITY TO PICK HIS TEAM, EVEN IF HE PICKS THE TEN WORST PLAYERS AND I AND I'M 100% POSITIVE THE OTHER TEN ARE BETTER. THAT'S HIS JOB. THAT'S HIS DECISION. NO ONE GETS TO SECOND GUESS IT. AND SO I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT COMPROMISES THAT, BECAUSE I STILL WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THERE COULD BE 500 HOMESCHOOL KIDS SHOW UP TO TRYOUT FOR THE SHOEMAKER GRAY WOLVES FOOTBALL TEAM. AND IF TOBY FORMAN DOESN'T WANT ANY ONE OF THEM ON HIS TEAM, THAT'S HIS RIGHT. IF HE WANTS ALL OF THEM ON, HE'S GOT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LET HIM TAKE 500. I KNOW THAT, BUT I'M SAYING IT'S A COACH'S DECISION. I'M NOT TRYING TO COMPROMISE THAT. AND I DON'T WANT I SOMETIMES WONDER IF COACHES THINK THAT IF WE MAKE THIS DECISION, WE'RE TELLING THEM THAT THEY'VE GOT TO TAKE HOMESCHOOL PLAYERS. NO, WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS THAT THAT HOMESCHOOL PLAYER COMES IN THERE, AND IF HE CAN HELP YOUR TEAM AND YOU'RE OPEN TO IT, YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND. NOW, I DO HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT A TOE STOMP THAT COST US SOME ELIGIBILITY. I HAVE I HAVE MAJOR 
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CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE BUT I WANT THESE KIDS. I WANT THEM TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY IF IT COMPROMISES WHAT I CALL OUR 360 FIVERS. YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY THERE, CASSIDY, ALL DAY, EVERY DAY. AND WE'RE ALL THEY KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO COMPROMISE THAT. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET A FEEL GOOD FROM YOU. AND I HAVEN'T NECESSARILY GOT THAT YET THAT, YOU KNOW THAT. HEY, WE GOT THIS. IT'S GOING TO WORK GOOD. YOU KNOW? AND BECAUSE AGAIN. A COACH HAS THE FINAL SAY, I HAVE NO DESIRE TO HEAR ANY GRIEVANCES FROM A HOMESCHOOLED PLAYER THAT DIDN'T MAKE A TEAM. AND IF THAT'S NOT IN WRITING, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR ME TO BE IN FAVOR. I DON'T WANT ANY GRIEVANCES SAYING I SHOULD HAVE MADE THE FOOTBALL TEAM. I SURE I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, EXCEPT THAT I CAN'T TELL A PARENT THEY CAN'T FILE A GRIEVANCE. SO THAT'S I CAN'T MAKE THAT PROMISE. I CAN TELL YOU WE WILL DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO MAINTAIN ELIGIBILITY AND DO EVERY CHECK WE CAN DO TO VERIFY THAT. AND WE WILL PUT WE WILL PUT LEFT AND RIGHT LIMITS IN PLACE TO DO THAT. BUT I ALSO CAN'T POLICE THOSE KIDS WHEN THEY'RE AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, 30 MILES AWAY FROM THE CAMPUS. SO I WE WILL DO OUR ABSOLUTE BEST TO DO IT. SO AS FAR AS THE COACH'S DECISION, I COMPLETELY AGREE IT IS THE COACH'S DECISION. AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY INTENT TO WRITE POLICY OR PROCEDURES INTO THE EACH EVENT THAT WOULD COUNTERMAND THAT. MR. RAINWATER, I JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO YOU. 
          BRETT DID THAT KID. THAT'S AN EXCELLENT ATHLETE. IF HE COMES IN AND THE COACH SAYS, OKAY, I'M GOING TO PLAY HIM, I'M GOING TO START HIM, THEN HE'S TAKING AWAY FROM THAT KID THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY AND TO START. SO THAT'S A MAYBE A WIN FOR THE HOMESCHOOL GUY. IT'S A LOSS FOR OUR KIDS. 
          THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU, SIR, IS WE REALIGN EVERY OTHER YEAR. YOU KNOW, THE DISTRICT'S 13 A4. SO ARE THESE HOMESCHOOL GUYS GOING TO COUNT IN THAT REALIGNMENT AND THAT WHICH COULD MOVE US EITHER UP, USUALLY UP TO A SCHOOL THAT COULD BE BARELY WON OVER BUT DIDN'T HAVE THE STUDENT POPULATION TO DRAW FROM TO FORMULATE A COMPETITIVE FOOTBALL TEAM. SO THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. AND WHEN WE ASKED OURSELVES, YOU IS NOT BEING VERY SUPPORTIVE IN ANSWERING THAT BECAUSE THEY SAY CURRENTLY KNOW THAT THEIR CURRENT ANSWER IS NO. 
          BUT MAYBE IT'S LITERALLY WHAT IT SAYS ON THEIR WEBSITE IS THAT THEY ARE RELOOKING THEIR PROCEDURES ON HOW TO ACCOUNT FOR HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS. SO WHILE CURRENTLY, AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD NOT COUNT AGAINST US FOR OUR FOR OUR LEVELS, BUT THEY COULD CHANGE THAT AT ANY TIME. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD BE WITH THAT. THAT CHANGE THAT'S ON THEIR WEBSITE FROM U.I.L. SO THAT WAS LISTED. THAT WAS ONE OF OUR RISKS THAT WE HAD ON THERE BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY NO. BUT THEY ARE SAYING WE MAY CHANGE IT. MR. GILCHRIST, I JUST WANT TO SHARE THIS PERSPECTIVE, AND I, I AGREE WITH MR. MINTZ THAT SOMETIMES WE DO DO A LOT OF WHAT IFS, BUT I'M THINKING BECAUSE I, I DEAL WITH A LOT OF PARENTS WHOSE KIDS PLAY SPORTS, AND THE ONLY REASON THEY GO TO SCHOOL IS BECAUSE THEY CAN PLAY SPORTS. BUT IF I, IF I CAN GET THEM TO PLAY SPORTS AND HE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THAT SCHOOL, OUR HOMESCHOOL HIM. WHAT ABOUT THAT NUMBER THAT GOES UP BECAUSE PARENTS NOW REALIZE THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE IN THAT CLASSROOM TO PLAY, OR TO BE IN THE BAND OR TO DO THOSE THINGS. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. MR. DOCTOR, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THE POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACT ON OUR STUDENT ENROLLMENT POTENTIALLY GOING DOWN, WHICH WOULD IMPACT STATE FUNDING, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY I SOMETIMES SAY, WELL, IF THEY'RE NOT HERE, YOU'RE NOT I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT EDUCATING THEM. SO, YEAH, OF COURSE YOU LOST THE MONEY, BUT I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE EVERY, EVERY POINT WE'RE MAKING TONIGHT IS WE JUST DON'T KNOW. RIGHT? WE DON'T KNOW IF 164 KIDS ARE GOING TO GO HOMESCHOOL NEXT YEAR. WE DON'T KNOW IF THOSE KIDS ARE ALL SITTING IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND NOT IN SPORTS. WE DON'T. WE JUST DON'T KNOW. I, I WOULD SAY MY RECONNAISSANCE OF OTHER ATHLETIC PROGRAMS ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS IS THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG FEARS, IS THAT WE'RE ALREADY LOSING ENROLLMENT IN PUBLIC EDUCATION. AND THIS WOULD ADD TO THAT SPECIFICALLY IN REGION TEN, REGION 20, AND REGION 13, OUR PEERS IN THIS GENERAL AREA DID NOT VOICE THAT CONCERN. BUT I WOULD SAY IT COULD BE, BUT I HAVE I DON'T HAVE ANY DEFINITIVE STATISTICS OR METRIC TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE 
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THIS BOARD TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. AND SO I FEEL LIKE I'D BE LYING IF I IF I DID THAT. AND SO I WILL SAY TO MR. RAINWATER'S POINT, I WAS VISITING ONE OF OUR HIGH SCHOOL CAMPS THIS MORNING. 
          THAT PARTICULAR HIGH SCHOOL WAS WHEN SNAPSHOT CAME AROUND. THEY WERE TEN STUDENTS OVER THE ENROLLMENT TO TAKE THEM FROM 5 TO 6. A AND IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING FROM FIVE A TO GO TO SIX A AND THEY'RE THEY'RE REALLY A5A SCHOOL PLAYING IN SIX A LAND. 
          AND SO IT'S TEN KIDS, RIGHT? IT'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER. BUT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ON THAT, IT WOULD BE I THINK SO. BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY DATA TO REALLY SUPPORT THAT NOTION OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, ANECDOTAL INFORMATION FROM OTHER DISTRICTS. THANK YOU. MR. MADAM CAPITO, I'M JUST GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION OUT LOUD THAT EVERYONE'S PROBABLY GOING TO KILL ME FOR. BUT NO, I AM. IS IT MORE PERTINENT THAT WE WAIT A YEAR TO SEE WHAT THE RULES ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SO MANY WHAT IFS, SOUNDS LIKE UI, HOW UI HASN'T MADE ALL THE DECISIONS YET BECAUSE THIS LAW IS CHANGING. IS IT BETTER TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR AND LET THEM WORK OUT THE KINKS BEFORE WE RISK ANY OF OUR ATHLETIC PROGRAMS? AND I WOULD PIGGYBACK ON THAT. DOCTOR FAYE, THAT WAS GOING TO BE. MY QUESTION IS, WITH SO MANY UNKNOWNS. DO YOU TAKE THIS LEAP WITH THIS MANY UNKNOWNS? MY ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH IT BECAUSE OF MANY REASONS, PARTIALLY BECAUSE I'M SO TIED TO THE INSTITUTION. RIGHT. BUT I'M ALSO WANT TO BE A SUPERINTENDENT THAT'S OPEN TO CHANGE. I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS, THAT WE HAVE A STAFF THAT'S READY TO TACKLE THAT. IF THE BOARD'S DESIRE IS TO OPEN IT UP TO OUR TAXPAYERS FOR THAT, AND WE MAY BECOME THE DISTRICT THAT MODELS AND SETS THE TONE FOR WHAT HAPPENS ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS. RIGHT. WE HAVE ONE NEIGHBORING SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT IS ALLOWING HOMESCHOOL KIDS TO PARTICIPATE, THAT IS SALADO ISD. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY DATA FROM THEM. BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU ANY DISTRICT THAT I HAVE SPOKEN WITH, AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH A LOT THAT IS OPTING INTO THIS AT ALL. SO OTHER THAN SALADO. SO. BACK TO YOU, MR. HECKENBERG. SO BEFORE I MOVE BACK ASIDE, IF WE DECIDE TO STAY IN WHICH WE WOULD BE ON 1ST SEPTEMBER, OUR ACTIVITY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD DEVELOP HOMESCHOOL SPECIFIC PROCEDURES TO COVER ALL ACTIVITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR HOW WE BRING THEM INTO THE DISTRICT, WHAT THE POLICIES ARE FOR THEM BEING ON CAMPUS, TRY OUT DATES, ETC. AND WE WOULD UPDATE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THE SAME FOR EACH SPECIFIC PROGRAM. SO THE OVERARCHING POLICIES AND THEN EACH, EACH PROGRAM WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN POLICIES AS WELL TO INCORPORATE THEM IN. WE WOULD THEN DEVELOP AN INFORMATION SHEET TO PUSH OUT TO THE PUBLIC ON HOW THAT ENROLLMENT SHOULD HAPPEN, TO GET IT OUT TO FOLKS SO THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO, WHERE TO GO, WHERE TO GO ENROLL, WHO THEY NEED TO TALK TO, WHAT REQUIREMENTS THEY HAVE TO GET THAT OUT. WE WOULD ALSO INSTITUTE END OF SEASON SURVEYS TO ASSESS DID IT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE TEAM'S CULTURE, CLIMATE, HOW THEY INTERACTED, HOW IT WORKED FOR THE YEAR TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS INTO THE INTO THE ENSUING YEAR? AND THEN AGAIN, ONE OF OUR DISCUSSION POINTS, AND IT KIND OF HINGES ON THE BOARD'S DECISION ON POLICY, BUT SOME ENROLLMENT DATES FOR THOSE HOMESCHOOLERS WHEN THEY NEED TO HAVE IT BY. SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE FULLY INTEGRATED INTO OFF SEASON WORKOUTS AND THE START OF PRACTICES IN THE LATE SUMMER PERIOD BEFORE THE SCHOOL YEAR REALLY STARTS TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT INFORMATION OUT FOR THEIR ENROLLMENT NEEDS TO OCCUR. 
          AND AGAIN, WE BUILT THIS OPERATING ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT 1ST SEPTEMBER WOULD BE THE START. WE CAN ADJUST IT AS NEED BE. SO NOW IF YOU GO BACK A SLIDE, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT REAL QUICK. AND THIS IS MORE WE KIND OF GOT OFF TOPIC A LITTLE BIT, BUT I KNOW THERE WAS A COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT POLICING FOR PEOPLE DOING THE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO DO, AND WHAT IS YOU'LL DO WHEN THEY FIND OUT. RIGHT IS PRETTY HARSH IN THEIR DECISION MAKING PROCESS. IF THEY FIND THAT INELIGIBLE PLAYERS AND THE ONUS IS NOT ON THE PARENT OR THE STUDENT, IT IS ON THE DISTRICT. AND SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CARE THAT WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE KID WAS PRACTICING ON TIME THERE. AND I KNOW HIGHLAND PARK JUST GOT THROUGH GETTING SANCTIONED. THEY TOOK AWAY THEIR STATE TITLE FOR INELIGIBLE PLAYERS. I BELIEVE KILLEEN ISD HAS BEEN PART OF THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE LAST 30 YEARS, WHERE THEY HAVE HAD SOME 
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INELIGIBLE PLAYERS OR. RIGHT. AND THOSE ARE BIG RISKS THERE. THAT THAT'S A RISK THAT WE'RE TAKING. AND IN MY EXPERIENCE, THEY REALLY DON'T CARE THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT IS YOUR JOB TO KNOW. AND WE WOULD HAVE TO SET UP SOME REAL STRICT GUIDELINES FOR THAT. AND SO JUST I JUST WANT THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT DOES MATTER IN PUBLIC PERCEPTION. IT WOULD BE THE COACH'S FAULT, IF YOU WILL, THE TEAM'S FAULT THAT TOOK THERE, THAT WE HAD THEIR TITLE TAKEN AWAY, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. BUT IT IS UP TO THE DISTRICT TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT ARE THEY FOLLOWING POLICY OR NOT? AND THE OIL DOESN'T CARE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU JUST DIDN'T KNOW. SO THOSE SCHOOL. COMMUNITIES. YES, SIR. SO PROFESSOR, SO IN THE LAST SEVEN DAYS, WHAT'S BEEN THE DIALOG WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO REALLY BE IMPACTED BY THIS? THE RECOMMENDATION, MUCH LIKE DOCTOR FAYE SAID, WOULD BE TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. NO, NO, NO, I'M SAYING WHAT HAS BEEN THE FEEDBACK FROM I'M TALKING VOLLEYBALL, BASKETBALL, FOOTBALL COACHES. I MEAN, NONE OF THEM CALLED SAYING, HEY, WE HEARD THAT SCUTTLEBUTT AT THE MEETING. 
          I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THEIR FEEDBACK WAS. IF THERE WASN'T ANY FEEDBACK FROM THEM, THEN THAT'S JUST THE ANSWER. NO ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK WAS PROVIDED IN THE LAST SEVEN DAYS. THAT WAS PUSHED UP TO ME, AND I MET WITH BOTH ATHLETIC DIRECTORS AND THE FINE ARTS TEAMS FOR THE DISTRICT, AND DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT WE'D ALREADY HEARD. SO IF WE PRESUME THESE DECISIONS BASED AGAIN BASED OFF OUR OUR ASSUMPTIONS EARLIER, THAT YOU EITHER OPT OUT PRIOR TO 1ST SEPTEMBER BY ADOPTION OF BOARD POLICY THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW HOMESCHOOL CHILDREN PARTICIPATE IN U.I.L, OR YOU TAKE NO ACTION AND ALLOW HOMESCHOOL CHILDREN TO PARTICIPATE STARTING SEPTEMBER 1ST. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE IF YOU TAKE NO ACTION, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE ACCEPTS ONLY IN DISTRICT HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS IN AT LEAST YEAR ONE TO ASSESS NUMBERS AND REFINE PROCESSES. 
          BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO IT EVERY YEAR. YOU COULD ADJUST THAT THE FOLLOWING YEAR IF YOU WANTED TO EXPAND IT OUTSIDE OF THE KILLEEN ISD. MR. RAINWATER. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A DECISION. IT'S FAIR TO EVERYBODY MAY MAKE SURE THERE'S NO FURTHER. MR. HECKENBERG, ARE YOU? WE ARE COMPLETE, SIR. ANY FURTHER DIALOG FROM TRUSTEES, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT? SO IF WE VOTE TO DO NOTHING, WE. IF WE VOTE TO DO NOTHING, THEN WE AUTOMATICALLY OPTED IN. CORRECT. AND SO THE STUDENTS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE ARE ONLY THE STUDENTS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE AFTER ENROLLMENT STARTED IN AUGUST OR SCHOOL STARTED IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER. SO FOOTBALL PROBABLY WOULD BE OUT. IS THAT CORRECT? I CAN'T SPEAK ON AN ABSOLUTE. IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT, BUT NOT. I'M JUST THINKING THAT IF IT GIVES US IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO OPT OUT AND WE'RE ONLY GOING TO START IN SEPTEMBER, THEN IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE PARTIAL PROGRAMS OR A HALF A SCHOOL YEAR, BECAUSE HALF THE SCHOOL YEAR ISN'T GOING TO REALLY BE AFFECTED. BUT THE OTHER HALF OF THE SCHOOL YEAR IS. SO IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO WAIT FOR SOME OF THE RULES, LIKE, OR THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST THINKING, IS IT ALL BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT ALL IN IN SEPTEMBER? BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME PROGRAMS THAT AREN'T ALL IN, AM I CORRECT? CORRECT. IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR STUDENTS TO JOIN SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS, SO WE WOULDN'T SEE THAT IMPACT ON THAT PROGRAM UNTIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR, SO WE WOULDN'T BE ALL IN AT THAT POINT. WE'RE ONLY IN PARTIALLY. SO I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT. THANK YOU, MR. MINTZ. SO MY QUESTION AND MR. AND I UNDERSTAND I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH HAVING A VOTE. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT ARE WE VOTING FOR. BECAUSE THERE'S SOME VERY THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS HERE. ARE WE VOTING NOW. WE COULD VOTE TO GO. TO MUDDY THE WATERS. WE COULD SAY NO, WE'RE IN LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GO IN FOR THIS SEMESTER. BUT IF IT GOES SIDEWAYS, LIKE IN NOVEMBER, WE CAN OPT OUT. LIKE THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS WHAT WE'RE JUST CHANGING. MY ONLY POINT IS WE'VE GOT A TON OF FLEXIBILITY IN THERE. THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T CHANGE OUR OWN POLICY. THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S TRUE. IT'S A SENATE BILL. I BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE. BUT I'LL CONFER WITH OR. JOEY, COULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? THE QUESTION IS, IF WE MADE THE DECISION NOT TO OPT OUT, WHICH MEANS SEPTEMBER 1ST, WE WOULD BE IN. AND IF AND IF 
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THINGS GO SIDEWAYS, COULD WE OPT OUT MID-YEAR? I DON'T THINK YOU CAN OPT OUT MID-YEAR. I THINK IT'S AN IN OR AN OUT, BECAUSE ONCE SEPTEMBER HAPPENS, YOU'RE THE KIDS ARE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE. SO ONCE SEPTEMBER HAPPENS, IF Y'ALL TAKE NO ACTION RIGHT NOW AND JUST LET THE LAW TAKE EFFECT STARTING SEPTEMBER 1ST, THAT'S WHEN IT'LL TAKE EFFECT. IF YOU TAKE NO ACTION. 
          RIGHT? I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IF YOU TAKE NO ACTION RIGHT NOW, THEN YOU CAN JUMP OUT IN OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER. I BELIEVE SUSAN HAS SOME OF THE FAQS PULLED. SO. SO I PULLED THE BILL AND WE HAD THE WE WERE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THESE OPTIONS. BUT HERE IT SAYS THIS ACT APPLIES BEGINNING FOR THE 2526 SCHOOL YEAR. THIS ACT TAKES EFFECT IMMEDIATELY IF IT RECEIVES A VOTE OF TWO THIRDS OF ALL MEMBERS ELECTED TO EACH HOUSE, AS PROVIDED BY SECTION 39, ARTICLE THREE TEXAS CONSTITUTION. IF THE ACT DOES NOT RECEIVE THE VOTE NECESSARY FOR IMMEDIATE EFFECT, THIS ACT TAKES EFFECT SEPTEMBER 1ST. SO IF YOU VOTE AGAINST IF YOU DO NOT, IF YOU VOTE AND IT DOES NOT GET VOTED AGAINST IT, IT DOES. NO, NO, THAT THAT TWO THIRDS IS ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE. IT'S NOT ABOUT THIS BOARD'S VOTE. THE EFFECTIVE AUTOMATIC EFFECTIVE DATE IS IF TWO THIRDS OF THE LEGISLATURE HAD VOTED FOR IT. OKAY. SO THAT'S NOT ABOUT THIS BODY. SO WE'RE NOT UNDER A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE FOR THIS OKAY. SO I GUESS WHAT MY POINT IS THE I DON'T HAVE THE TEXT OF THE LAW IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I MEAN, IT DOESN'T LOOK, THIS IS STILL BOARD POLICY. WE CAN VOTE TO CHANGE BOARD POLICY. ALL THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT, I THINK, IS THAT WE VOTE OR JUST OR IT GOES INTO HOMESCHOOLERS ARE ALLOWED UNLESS THE BOARD BOARD VOTES. NO, IT DOESN'T SAY ANYWHERE IN THAT TEXT. I DON'T IN THE LEGAL TEXT OR IN THE, IN THE CODE THAT I IF THIS CAN ONLY BE VOTED ON ONCE A YEAR, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT I THINK THE WHAT THE POSITION IS YOU NEED TO VOTE BY SEPTEMBER 1ST TO NOT ALLOW IT IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW IT. AND LATER ON IN THE YEAR YOU GET TO DO IT ANNUALLY. AT THAT POINT, I DON'T THINK THIS BOARD, AND I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT THIS BOARD COULD SAY WE CAN JUMP OUT IN OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER. I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE SHOULD. I'M JUST SAYING I'M JUST SAYING BACK TO WHAT WE I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON SOMETHING, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPTIONS UP THERE. ARE WE JUST WE'RE JUST VOTING IN OR SORRY, WE'RE JUST DOING NOTHING. SO WE'RE EFFECTIVELY IN OR WE'RE VOTING NO. SO WE'RE OUT OR WE'RE VOTING WE'RE IN. BUT ONLY FOR IN IN SCHOOL OR IN DISTRICT STUDENTS, WHICH LIMITS AGAIN, THAT'S A RISK LIMITING THAT THAT LIMITS OUR RISK. AND THEN WE CAN WE CAN ALWAYS WE CAN ALWAYS TAKE THINGS FROM THERE. SO MR. RAINWATER, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, BUT LET'S I MEAN, IF WHOEVER'S GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AND LET'S JUST BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, I THINK, OR WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. YEAH. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT WE WANT. 
          TO TAKE TWO VOTES IN THE I THINK THE DECISION IS REALLY VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO OPT OUT OR OPT IN. THEN IF WE OPT IN, WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE. SECOND VOTE ON ACCEPTING ONLY IN DISTRICT HOME SCHOOL STUDENTS KIND OF KIND OF MAKE IT IN TWO STEPS. BUT I THINK IT'S REAL IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THIS TONIGHT, BECAUSE THERE'S GUYS OUT THERE WAITING TO SUIT UP AND DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, EITHER IN OR OUT. AND COACHES ON OUR STAFFS AND COACHES ON HOME SCHOOL STAFFS ARE READY TO DEVELOP THEIR TEAMS AND START PRACTICING, TOO. SO IT'S FAIR TO THE KIDS AND TO THE COMMUNITY TO GET THAT DONE. AND WE FOUGHT LONG ENOUGH. MR. HECKENBERG, I THINK YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WERE GOING TO SHARE. SO WE JUST DID CONFIRM WITH THE UIA WEBSITE. 
          ONCE YOU DECIDE TO ALLOW IT IN, YOU'RE IN FOR THAT SCHOOL YEAR AND THEN YOU CAN OPT OUT AGAIN PRIOR TO 1ST AUGUST FOR THE ENSUING 2627 SCHOOL YEAR. MADAM CAPITO OKAY, SO THEN WE CANNOT COME BACK OUT OF IT. IF WE GO, WE HAVE TO FOR THE YEAR. I JUST THINK THERE'S TOO MANY UNKNOWNS TO DO THIS. ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION BY TRUSTEES? OKAY. THIS. MADAM SECRETARY, IS OUR EXISTING POLICY. WELL, I WAS ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING, BUT YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. NO, NO, I, I WAS THINKING THROUGH SOMETHING, SO WHEN I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY IT THAT WAY, I WAS SAYING I WAS. IT IS YOUR FLOOR. I'M NOT TAKING THAT AWAY. MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED REVISION OF BOARD POLICY FM LOCAL, ALLOWING THE DISTRICT TO DECLINE PARTICIPATION OF NON-ENROLLED 
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HOME SCHOOL STUDENTS IN EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES IN KILLEEN ISD, INCLUDING ACTIVITIES GOVERNED BY THE UNIVERSITY INTERSCHOLASTIC LEAGUE. BEGINNING WITH THE 20 2526 SCHOOL YEAR. AS PRESENTED MOTION BY SECRETARY ADAMS. WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. GILCHRIST. 
          READ IT AGAIN. YES, MADAM SECRETARY, CAN YOU READ THE MOTION ONE MORE TIME? ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED REVISION OF BOARD POLICY FM LOCAL, ALLOWING THE DISTRICT TO DECLINE PARTICIPATION OF NON-ENROLLED HOME SCHOOL STUDENTS IN EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES IN KILLEEN ISD, INCLUDING ACTIVITIES GOVERNED BY THE UNIVERSITY INTERSCHOLASTIC LEAGUE. BEGINNING WITH THE 20 2526 SCHOOL YEAR AS PRESENTED. 
          SO, MADAM SECRETARY, RESTATE OUR MOTION THAT WAS SECONDED BY MR. GILCHRIST. WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THIS IS OPTING OUT WHICH WOULD NOT ALLOW HOMESCHOOL PARTICIPATION. ANY CONFUSION ON THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR, ANY UNEASINESS AMONGST ANYONE BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SHOW OF HANDS. ONE. TWO. THREE. FOUR. FIVE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. WE HAVE FIVE IN FAVOR. TWO IN OPPOSITION. PASSES BY A 5 TO 2 VOTE. THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW GO TO F. CONSIDERATION OF PROPOSED EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION PLAN, GENERAL PAY INCREASE AND EMPLOYER HEALTH PLAN. CONTRIBUTION AND DISCUSSION OF FISCAL YEAR 2026 DISTRICT BUDGET PLANNING. MISS VADEN, THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING. THE PRESENTATION THAT I'VE GOT TONIGHT REGARDING BUDGET UPTAKE IS NEARLY THE EXACT PRESENTATION FROM THE WORKSHOP LAST WEEK. 
          THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE, AND I WILL HIGHLIGHT THOSE AS I GO THROUGH THEM. THE WORK, THE SEE IF I CAN DO THIS. IT'S ON. NO. OKAY. HERE ARE OUR ASSUMPTIONS. AGAIN I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT JUST A FEW OF THESE. THE UNDER THE REVENUES WE KNOW THAT WE EXPECT OUR CERTIFIED PROPERTY TAX VALUES SOMETIME BY THE END OF JULY. AND THE ANTICIPATION IS THAT THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FOR THAT WILL BE 140,000. AGAIN, JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT FOR THE IMPACT, A LOSS IN REVENUE, THE $10 MILLION THAT HAS BEEN INCORPORATED INTO OUR REVENUE ESTIMATES ON THE EXPENDITURES, THE PAYROLL COSTS ARE BASED ON THE STAFFING GUIDELINES THAT WERE DISCUSSED ON MAY 6TH. CURRENTLY WITHIN THE PROGRAM, THE EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM IS STILL $400. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE MAJOR CHANGE THE NEXT TO THE LAST ONE UNDER THE EXPENDITURES. AFTER QUITE A BIT OF WORK THIS WEEK, LOTS OF ANALYSIS. THE HR TEAM, THE BUDGET TEAM, WE ARE MOVING OUR VACANCY UP 1%. SO THAT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN WE GET TO EXPENDITURES AND THEN THE TRANSFERS, WE ARE STILL REMAINING LEAVING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. THE 1.25% TO COME OUT OF THE STRATEGIC FACILITIES PLAN. CAN WE GET A QUESTION IN MISS HAYDEN? SURE. MR. GILCHRIST, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THIS. THE IMPACT A $10 MILLION DECREASE. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE WORKED HARD TO TRY TO GET THAT NUMBER BACK UP OR WHATEVER WE DID. NO IMPACT WAS MADE BY ALL THAT EFFORT WE DID WITH THAT. OR ARE WE JUST ASSUMING THAT WE KNOW THAT WE DID NOT MEET OUR REQUIRED NUMBERS? ARE YOU GOING TO ADD TO THAT? YEAH, THE NUMBER WENT FROM 27% TO 28%. WE NEED TO BE AT YES. THE PERCENTAGE WENT UP. YEAH. NO, WE'RE STILL LACKING ABOUT 2500 I BELIEVE STUDENTS OFF POST TO QUALIFY. OKAY. SO THEN WITH THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR REVENUES. THESE HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE OUR LAST MEETING. AGAIN JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE LOCAL AND THE STATE REVENUE MAY CHANGE AS WE GET OUR CERTIFIED VALUES. BUT AGAIN OVERALL OUR REVENUE IS DETERMINED BASED ON OUR ADA. AND SO AT THIS POINT, LOOKING AT REVENUE OF 489.9 MILLION. THE EXPENDITURES, THIS SLIDE HAS NOT CHANGED EITHER. WE BEGAN WITH OUR CURRENT YEAR BUDGET. WE KNOW WE'VE GOT REQUIRED EXPENDITURES TOWARDS TEACHERS SALARIES. AND THEN THERE'S A RELATED BENEFIT 
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THERE. AND SO LOOKING AT 10.2 RELATED TO REQUIRED TEACHER SALARY INCREASES. THIS SLIDE IS HAS SOME CHANGES ON IT. EXPENDITURE CHANGES ANTICIPATED. THE FIRST THREE HAVE NOT CHANGED. AGAIN WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME SAVINGS FROM STAFFING ALLOCATION CHANGES, SOME TRANSPORTATION RELATED TO THE SPECIAL ED PODDING AND SOME INSURANCE SAVINGS. THE TWO PIECES THAT ARE NEW AGAIN, THE 1% FOR THE VACANCY FACTOR WILL NET A SAVINGS OF 5.1 ADDITIONAL MILLION. AND THEN WE'VE ADDED A FACILITIES CONTINGENCY FOR LANDSCAPING OF 200,000 AT THIS POINT. SO REVENUES AT THIS POINT, WE'RE ESTIMATING FOR 87.6 MILLION. SO WHERE THAT WILL LEAVE US, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES IS 2.3 MILLION. IN ADDITION, WE WILL BE USING FUND BALANCE THAT. PRIOR YEAR STATE COMPENSATORY FUNDING, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE DONE LAST YEAR. SO WITH THAT CHANGE, THAT LEAVES US AT THIS POINT WITH A FUND BALANCE OF 6.6 MILLION. AGAIN, MORE MORE. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE NEWER TO THE BOARD, I HAD INCLUDED THIS. THIS IS THE HISTORICAL PAY INCREASES FOR THE DISTRICT. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TWO YEARS THAT HAD THE MOST SIGNIFICANT INCREASE ARE THE 20 1920 YEAR AND THEN THE 2223 YEAR AS WELL. AND THERE WAS ALSO IN THAT 2223 YEAR, SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE LONGEVITY AMOUNTS AS WELL. THIS WAS JUST A GENERAL PIECE OF INFORMATION WE'VE DONE. I THINK TYPICALLY OVER THE YEARS, JUST WHAT WOULD A 1% RAISE COST FOR THE STAFF? AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IF YOU WANTED TO PROGRESS THAT, YOU COULD DO THAT FROM THE CALCULATION BASED ON OUR ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT, YOU CAN SEE THAT OVER THERE TO THE RIGHT FOR THE GENERAL FUND. JUST AN OVERALL GENERAL 1% INCREASE WOULD BE 1.7 MILLION FOR ALL FUNDS. THAT'S OUR INCREASE WOULD BE 1.8. WE TALKED QUITE A BIT AND I'M ASSUMING PAT IS HERE AS WELL. I SEE HIM IN THE BACK. HE'S MADE SOME PRESENTATIONS REGARDING OUR EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM. AND YOU SEE SOME DIFFERING AMOUNTS THERE. THE MAIN THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT ON THIS SLIDE, I SAID THIS LAST TIME AS WELL, THE INCREASE OFF ON THE RIGHT IS NOT INCREMENTAL. SO IT IS IF FOR INSTANCE, IT WAS FOR 25, IT WOULD BE 1.1 MILLION. AND SO THIS IS OUR THE ADMINISTRATIVE RECOMMENDATION OR OUR TARGETED PROPOSAL. IT DOES TARGET SOME VERY SPECIFIC POSITIONS FOR VARIOUS REASONS. WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT SOME AREAS AND MAYBE TARGETING AREAS OVER MULTIPLE YEARS. AND SO I THINK THIS TAKES THAT INTO ACCOUNT. AND SO AT THIS POINT WE ARE LOOKING AT AND I'M GOING TO GO ACROSS THE TOP FROM LEFT TO RIGHT. AND THEN TOWARDS THE BOTTOM 2% RAISE FOR ANY NONEXEMPT STAFF. BUT ENSURING THAT IF THAT DOESN'T GET THEM TO A MINIMUM OF $13 AN HOUR, THAT WE WOULD THEN INCREASE IT TO $13 AN HOUR. FOR SPECIAL ED EVALUATION STAFF. THIS LSPS I THINK DIAGNOSTICIANS THIS WOULD BE THE HIGHER NEEDS POSITION, WOULD BE A $2,500 RAISE FOR THOSE RECOMMENDING A $2,500 RAISE FOR OUR PRINCIPALS, ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS AND DEANS OF INSTRUCTIONS. THIS. THE INTENT IS TO KEEP US OR TO GET US INTO A POSITION WHERE WE'RE COMPETITIVE WITH OUR NEIGHBORING DISTRICTS AND OUR OTHER DISTRICTS FOR THOSE POSITIONS, FOR ALL OTHER STAFF, NOT ABOVE A 2% RAISE. AND THEN LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL FTES FOR PLCS FOR MATH AND READING, I DIDN'T GET THAT CORRECTED, BUT THAT IS FOR MATH AND READING. AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR HEALTH INSURANCE CONTRIBUTION TO MOVE TO $425 PER MONTH. AND SO YOU SEE THERE, THE TOTAL FOR THAT PLAN IS 6.45 MILLION. BASED ON OUR ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT, WOULD LEAVE US RIGHT AT $150,000. SO. THE USE OF THAT PRIOR YEAR FUND BALANCE GETS US TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE BASICALLY BALANCED AT THIS POINT. CAN WE ASK SOME QUESTIONS? SURE. SO TWO QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE SO THAT 
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$13 AN HOUR FLOW RATE. AND I KNOW YOU WON'T HAVE THIS NOW, BUT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE ON THE BUDGET TO GET THAT TO $16 AN HOUR FOR A FLOOR. RIGHT. I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED IN THAT NUMBER. AND THIS TOTAL PLAN UPDATE, WHICH WAS SHOWN AT 6.45 MILLION, WHAT IS THE AMOUNT THAT GOES INTO CASH IN LIEU FIVE? AS I SAY, I THINK I THINK WE LOOKED AT CASH IN LIEU. AND AT THIS POINT THE ESTIMATE IS BETWEEN 5.75 TO 7 MILLION. YEAH. SO I WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET THERE, BUT THE IMPACT ON IF THAT CASH IN LIEU PROGRAM GOES AWAY AND IF THOSE PEOPLE OPT TO PICK UP OUR HEALTH INSURANCE VERSUS IF THEY DON'T. I JUST THINK WE'RE AT THAT POINT IN TIME AS AN ORGANIZATION, OUR BUDGET WERE I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEING REALLY FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. IF WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT MOVING FORWARD. IT'S ALL ABOUT OFFERING AN INSURANCE PLAN TO PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO, I DON'T KNOW IF I SO MUCH FAVOR OFFERING MONEY TO PEOPLE TO NOT GET ON YOUR PLAN. SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN WHAT WE THINK THE IMPACT MIGHT BE IF WE GOT RID OF THE CASH IN LIEU PROGRAM AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE GOT ON OUR INSURANCE, IS THAT GOING TO TAKE OUR TEACHERS THROUGH THE THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME TYPE OF MATH ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? BECAUSE WHERE I'M GOING IS I SEE THAT 5 TO 7 MILLION, AND I WANT TO TAKE THAT 5 TO 7 MILLION AND PUT IT IN HOW WE PAY PEOPLE. OR MAYBE EXPLORE SOME OPTIONS OF WHERE WE GRANDFATHER THE PROGRAM. AND THOSE THAT ARE IN IT ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE IN IT. WE DON'T LET ANY OTHERS IN. SO IF ALL 2300, GIVE OR TAKE, WERE TO GO INTO THE HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM AT THE 425 RATE, THAT WOULD COST THE DISTRICT AN ADDITIONAL $11 MILLION, SUBTRACT THE 5 MILLION. SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT A 6 TO $7 MILLION DELTA THERE. SO NOW WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE WOULD WOULD GO IN THERE, BUT WE WOULD SEE AN INCREASE THERE. PEOPLE WILL THINK MORE INSURANCE IS BETTER INSURANCE. AND THAT WILL TAKE SOME EDUCATION AND TIME FOR PEOPLE TO LEARN THAT. FROM A FROM A NUMERICAL STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, IF 20% WENT IN, WE WOULD SPEND THAT SAME $5 MILLION. SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, FROM A CONSULTING STANDPOINT, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND LIKE, WE'RE WE'RE READY TO RIP THE BAND-AID WITHOUT HAVING SOME WORKSHOP DISCUSSIONS. I DO THINK IT'S WORTH HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS AND SEEING THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL DECLINING REVENUES FROM IMPACT AID AND THINGS IN THE FUTURE. THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE WORKSHOP AND REALLY KIND OF DIVE INTO AND DO SOME SURVEYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO BETTER PROVIDE BETTER ANSWERS AROUND THAT. ON AVERAGE, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO THAT CASH IN LIEU PROGRAM PER YEAR? I THINK YOU WOULD SAY IT WAS GOING DOWN, BUT IT IS GOING DOWN. BUT OUR INSURANCE ENROLLMENT IS GOING UP, TOO. NOT NOT NECESSARILY AT THE SAME PACE. YOU KNOW, KAITLYN AND I SPOKE THE OTHER DAY KIND OF IN TALKS AROUND THIS, AND I MADE THE COMMENT THAT OUR IMPACT AID CHANGE AND THE PEOPLE ENROLLING IN INSURANCE, THERE WAS A CORRELATION. AND SHE GOES, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. AND WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT AND WE'RE LIKE, YEAH, IT DOES HAVE A CORRELATION. WE HAVE MORE POPULATION THAT ARE NOT MILITARY IMPACTED, THAT ARE BEING HIRED WITHIN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS JUST JUST THE SAME RATE THAT WE'RE DOING. SO IT IS A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD THERE. YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOSING THOSE FEDERAL IMPACT AID DOLLARS FROM A SCHOOL DISTRICT STANDPOINT, STUDENT WISE. WE'RE ALSO LOSING THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE OTHER INSURANCE THROUGH TRICARE THAT ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE CASH. AND SO IT IS KIND OF FADING ITSELF OUT, PROBABLY NOT AT THE PACE WE NEED IT TO FINANCIALLY TO IN THE BALANCING OF BUDGET SCENARIO THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT IT IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. AND THEN THE OPTIONS OF I'D BE INTERESTED IN MAYBE KEEPING THOSE WHO ARE IN THERE, BUT THEN MAYBE WHERE WE DON'T LET OTHERS IN. I JUST TO JUST ARBITRARILY SAY WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO IT FOREVER. MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S OUR CONSULTANT. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU ADVISE US TO DO. BUT I MEAN, I JUST. TODAY THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION. I DO THINK IT'S A WORTHY DISCUSSION TO TALK ABOUT AS WE GO FORWARD. AND I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY SCHEDULE POST ENROLLMENT OCTOBER, NOVEMBER TO START PUTTING THAT 
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ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FUTURE FOR SOME WORKSHOPS. MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. SO. THIS IS A HOT BUTTON FOR ME. AS MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE. AND SO I HAD SOME QUESTIONS LAST WEEK. THE OPPOSITION WAS THAT MEDICARE WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD PRECLUDE US FROM ADDING AN EXTRA 10 OR $15 TO THE $200. SO IF WE ADD FOR 25 FOR THE BENEFITS WE PAY FOR THE EMPLOYEES WHO TAKE TRS VERSUS THE $200 AND NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THAT, BECAUSE THE ARGUMENT WAS, IS THE 65 AND OVER THE MEDICARE CAP. SO I ASKED WHAT THAT MEDICARE CAP WAS, AND WE WERE TOLD WE'D GET THAT INFORMATION IN OUR EXTRAS. AND THIS ISN'T AT UTD NECESSARILY. IT'S WHOEVER PUT THIS IN EXTRAS OR EXTRAS, BUT IN THE NEWSLETTER. SO IT SAYS BECAUSE OF IRS RULES, THE DISTRICT IS PROHIBITED FROM DICTATING HOW EMPLOYEES SPEND THIS MONEY. ADDITIONALLY, THE DISTRICT IS SUBJECT TO IRS AUDITS IF ONE OF THESE IS FLAGGED IN THAT PROGRAM. 
          CURRENTLY, WE HAVE 496 EMPLOYEES AGE 65 AND OVER. SO THE MINIMUM AGE AT WHICH A PERSON. SO MY QUESTION IS, OF THOSE 496 EMPLOYEES, HOW MANY OF THEM ARE TAKING $200 AND HOW MANY OF THEM ARE TAKING TRS? THAT WASN'T SPELLED OUT IN THIS. AND THEN IT SAYS NO EMPLOYEE CAN ACCESS PROGRAMS UNLESS THEY ARE COVERED BY A GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM. SO KISD AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HEALTH PROGRAMS, HEALTH SAVINGS PROGRAMS, THE. AFFORDABLE CARE PROGRAM. SO I'VE ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD THE AFFORDABLE CARE PROGRAM IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE A COMPANY PROGRAM. SO IF KISD OFFERS A HEALTH CARE PROGRAM AND OUR EMPLOYEES OPT OUT OF IT, THEY CANNOT GO TO THE AFFORDABLE CARE PROGRAM AND OPT IN. MAY I CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS THERE SO THEY CAN CHOOSE TO OPT OUT? WE DO HAVE MEMBERS BECAUSE I SPEAK TO THEM EVERY YEAR, AS DOES MISS FORD THAT CHOOSE TO OPT OUT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE DISTRICT'S HEALTH PLAN AND THEY CHOOSE THEIR OWN HEALTH PLAN THROUGH WHAT IS CALLED THE MARKETPLACE AFFECTIONATELY. AND THAT WAS SET UP BY THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. 
          THEY DO NOT OR ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE A SUBSIDY BECAUSE THEIR EMPLOYER DOES PROVIDE COVERAGE. OKAY, SO THAT'S THE ANYBODY CAN CHOOSE TO GO GET THEIR OWN HEALTH INSURANCE. THE SUBSIDY THAT OFFSETS THE PREMIUM THAT THE GOVERNMENT PROVIDES BASED OFF INCOME IS WHAT IS IMPACTED BY THAT. EMPLOYERS OFFER OF COVERAGE, AND YOU HAVE TO DO IT DURING A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. DURING THE ANNUAL ENROLLMENT PERIOD. OKAY. SO THAT HELPS THERE. AND AGAIN, WHAT IS THAT CEILING THAT MEDICARE PUTS ON US THAT SAYS IF YOU GO OVER $250 OR $210, YOU'RE GOING TO GET SLAPPED. SO THEY THEY DON'T SAY, HERE'S THE CEILING AND TRUE, TRUE GUIDANCE FROM THE FROM FROM THAT WHAT THEY SAY AND WHAT OUR ATTORNEY ADVISES IS DO NOT MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE ENOUGH TO WHERE APPEALS TO WHERE IT LOOKS. INCENTIVIZING TO SOMEONE THAT'S AGE 65 AND ABOVE TO CHOOSE MEDICARE OVER THE EMPLOYER BASED COVERAGE. BECAUSE THERE'S A RULE CALLED THE MEDICARE SECONDARY SECONDARY PAYER RULE, AND THAT RULE MEANS THAT IF I IF I WORK FOR AN EMPLOYER WITH MORE THAN 20 EMPLOYEES AND I'M INSURED BY THEM, THEN THAT EMPLOYER PAYS FIRST BEFORE MEDICARE. SO THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE EMPLOYEE EMPLOYERS OUT THERE, RIGHT? THAT'S PROTECTS OUR GOVERNMENT FROM PAYING ADDITIONAL INSURANCE BECAUSE IT'S MY CHOICE AS SOMEONE THAT'S OVER 65 TO CHOOSE MY EMPLOYER'S HEALTH PLAN AND MEDICARE, IF MY EMPLOYER INCENTIVIZES ME TO NOT TAKE INSURANCE OR MY EMPLOYER'S INSURANCE IS BILLED SECOND VERSUS MEDICARE IN THAT SCENARIO, THEN MEDICARE AUDITS THAT AND COMES BACK AND SAYS, WAIT, MR. EMPLOYER, YOU OWE US FOR ALL OF THOSE DOLLARS THAT WE PAID IN ADVANCE, AND OCCASIONALLY WE GET THOSE LETTERS FROM EMPLOYERS, AND WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH WITH THE INSURANCE CARRIER AND MEDICARE TO PROVE WHO PAID WHAT AND ALL THAT. AND THEY TIE UP FEDERAL FUNDS. CENTRAL TEXAS FOUR C AND TEMPLE. TWO YEARS AGO, THEY HAD A $2 MILLION GRANT HELD UP FOR SIX MONTHS. WHILE WE 
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WERE WAITING ON ONE OF THESE TO BE. AND THEY DON'T HAVE A CASH IN LIEU PROGRAM. THEY THEY WERE JUST IT WAS JUST A BAD, BAD HAPPENSTANCE. BUT THAT IMPACTED THEIR FUNDING AND THEY HAD TO GO TO BANKS AND CREDITORS AND WORK THROUGH THOSE THINGS. SO IT IS A MAJOR THING THAT HAPPENS. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE VERY SERIOUS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T CREATE AN INCENTIVIZED PROGRAM FOR ANYBODY OVER AGE OF 65 AND THAT SO AT PRESENT, ACCORDING TO THIS INFORMATION THAT WAS POSTED YEAR TO DATE, THAT PROGRAM IS COSTING THE DISTRICT $5,102,400. AND IF WE WERE TO BUMP IT BY $10, IT WOULD COST THE DISTRICT $5,000,801. OR IF WE WERE TO BUMP IT BY $25, IT WOULD COST THE DISTRICT $6,215,400. SO IF WE IF WE DO NOTHING, THEN OUR COST IS $5,102,000 AT CURRENT ENROLLMENT. AT CURRENT ENROLLMENT. AT THE CURRENT ENROLLMENT, THE CURRENT ENROLLMENT, IF THAT'S. AND I'LL TAKE THE I'LL TAKE OWNERSHIP I WROTE THAT OKAY. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I BUT JUST LIKE LONGEVITY PAY THIS IS AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. AND TAKING IT AWAY AT ANY POINT IN TIME OR WOULD BE I THINK SOMETHING OUR EMPLOYEES WOULD HAVE TO SIT BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, NOW I'M GOING TO TAKE THE 425, WHICH NOW DOUBLES OUR COST FROM A DISTRICT STANDPOINT, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE 200 BUCKS AND THEY DO TRES, THAT'S $225 MORE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PAYING PER INDIVIDUAL THROUGH PER PAY PERIOD. SO THAT JUST INCREASES OUR COSTS. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EMPLOYEES AND TRYING TO RETAIN EMPLOYEES IN OUR DISTRICT AND TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO STAY HERE, WE COME UP WITH ALL KINDS OF PROGRAMS PAYING FOR THEIR EDUCATION. IF THEY TAKE ADVANCED EDUCATION WITHIN THEIR FIELD, INCREASING THE $25 FROM THE 400 TO 425, BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THE INCREASES IN HEALTH CARE, WE HAVE LONGEVITY PAY TO TRY TO KEEP OUR EMPLOYEES HERE. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT COLLECTIVELY, WE HAVE TO INCLUDE ALL EMPLOYEES, NOT JUST THOSE WHO RALLIED TO OUR TRES HEALTH CARE PROGRAM, BUT EVEN THOSE WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO TAKE THE, THE, THE, THE $200 BECAUSE THEIR TRICARE OR BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR UNDERNEATH THEIR SPOUSE'S HEALTH CARE PROGRAM. WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE ALL OF THAT. IF WE REALLY WANT TO BE HOLISTIC IN TRYING TO KEEP EMPLOYEES HERE AT KISD. AND THAT'S WHAT I COME BACK TO. AND SO WE JUST HAVE TO EVALUATE THAT AND HOW WE WANT TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT. AND SO THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK OF WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MEDICARE PORTION AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT'S SUCH A SLIPPERY SLOPE, THEN WHY AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS FOR THESE PEOPLE? WE ACTUALLY DO, THROUGH THE HEALTH PLAN, PROVIDE AN OPTION THAT HAS A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT, BUT NOT ALL EMPLOYEES ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT. THE HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT HAS TO BE PAIRED WITH A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN THROUGH A MEDICAL HEALTH PLAN. YOU CAN'T JUST OPEN UP A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT. THERE'S A LOT OF MISNOMERS ABOUT THAT OUT THERE, BUT THAT IS HOW THE LAW IS WRITTEN. THEY JUST CHANGED SOME OF THE LAWS AROUND HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS, BUT IT STILL DIDN'T OPEN IT UP TO WHERE ANYBODY CAN GO OPEN ONE. THERE ARE PROGRAMS CALLED A FLEXIBLE SPENDING ACCOUNT, WHICH STAFF DID HAVE ME REVIEW A FLEXIBLE SPENDING ACCOUNT, WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO SPEND THOSE DOLLARS ON MEDICAL RELATED EXPENSES. THEY ARE LIMITED TO $500 EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION, SO YOU CAN ONLY PUT $500 IN THERE AND IT IS A USE IT OR LOSE IT PROGRAM FOR THE YEAR. RIGHT. FOR THE FOR THE YEAR. YES. SO $500 FOR THE YEAR IS ALL THE EMPLOYER CAN DO WITHOUT A MATCH. WHEREAS THROUGH CASH IN LIEU WE, WE PROVIDE 2400. RIGHT. YES. SO IT'S A SO ESSENTIALLY IT IS A BETTER BENEFIT THAN THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT OPTION THAT IS AVAILABLE TO US. FROM AN EMPLOYEE STANDPOINT. 
          FROM AN EMPLOYER STANDPOINT, YES, IT IS AN EXPENSE. BUT TO YOUR POINT, AND I HAVE MADE THIS POINT A FEW TIMES, WE'RE THE ONLY SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE AREA THAT HAS THIS PROGRAM. WHEN WE DO THE ANALYSIS AND WE PROVIDE THAT ANALYSIS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WE'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT PROVIDES THAT. IT IS A BENEFIT. IT IS A IT IS A BENEFIT THAT EMPLOYEES DEFINITELY APPRECIATE 
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AND GO AND RELY ON IT. AS WE'VE SEEN ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE PROGRAM TO RUN. 
          WE'RE TALKING NOT JUST ABOUT $5 MILLION FOR THIS PROGRAM AND NOT JUST 18. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $30 MILLION WHEN IT ALL REALLY BOILS DOWN TO A YEAR IS WHAT WE'RE SETTING ASIDE AND SPENDING FOR EMPLOYEES, EMPLOYEE BENEFITS. AND SO IT IS A MAJOR PERCENTAGE, I THINK THAT'S ROUGHLY 5% OF THE BUDGET OR 4%, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S BEFORE PAY. AND SO IT'S A MAJOR PERCENTAGE. AND SO THAT'S WHEN I TALK ABOUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT AT REMOVING, I DON'T SAY THAT LIGHTLY. I SAY THAT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AS A DISTRICT GOING FORWARD. AND I JUST I THINK ABOUT IT FROM AN EMPLOYEE'S PERSPECTIVE. IF I'M NOT TAKING HEALTH CARE PROGRAM, BRETT GETS A $25 A MONTH PAY RAISE, IN ESSENCE, AND I DON'T I'M DOING THE SAME JOB. I'M SHOWING UP EVERY DAY. BUT HE GETS THE $25 A MONTH PAY RAISE. I DO NOT. SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? IF WE WERE TO SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO FOR 25, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO 402 HUNDRED, BUT EVERYBODY GETS A $25 A MONTH PAY RAISE. THEN ACROSS THE BOARD, EVERYBODY GOT A $25 A MONTH PAY RAISE AS OPPOSED TO SOME GOT, SOME DIDN'T. SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I WILL ADD TO THAT IT'S ABOUT CHOICES. NO, IT IS THAT WHEN THE EMPLOYER SPENDS THAT EXTRA $25 FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE, IT'S PRE-TAXED THE EMPLOYER IS NOT PAYING TAXES ON IT, AND THE EMPLOYEE IS NOT PAYING TAXES ON IT. SO IT OPERATES A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE 30. BUT I KNOW THAT'S SEMANTICS. AND 400 BUCKS A YEAR IS NOT A BIG TAX BURDEN TO ANYBODY. SO WHAT DID YOU SAY? I SAID AND YOU CAN ENSURE THAT IT GOES TOWARDS HEALTH INSURANCE. YES. THE CASH IN LIEU WHILE AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE YOU CANNOT WE CANNOT ENSURE THAT THAT'S WHAT IT'S USED FOR. AND THAT'S $400 A MONTH, $200. THE CASH IN LIEU IS TWO 200 FOR THE 400 FOR THE 425. YES. THAT'S A MONTH. YES, THAT'S A MONTH, NOT A YEAR. NO. CORRECT. NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE $25 DOCTOR FAYE. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT 400. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE $25 INCREASE FOR 25. YEAH, YEAH, MADAM CAPITO OKAY, SINCE YOU'RE UP THERE, I'M GOING TO LEAVE YOU THERE FOR A SECOND. I'LL COME BACK TO KALIN IN JUST A MOMENT. I, I KNOW, SEE, YOU'RE YOU'RE ALREADY GETTING IT. SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE WORKSHOP, AND I WANT TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT. I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME WHAT EMPLOYEES WANT. AND I DON'T KNOW, MR. BAKER, IF MAYBE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH TAD AND EVERYBODY AND MAYBE SURVEY THE STAFF AND ASK THEM OUT OF MAYBE A LIST OF BENEFITS THAT WE COULD PROVIDE FOR THE SAME, MAYBE DOLLAR AMOUNT OR SOMETHING SIMILAR. WHAT WOULD THEY PREFER? BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING, IS THIS $200 CASH IN LIEU GOING TO RETAIN EMPLOYEES? I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. AND I THINK THE EMPLOYEES ARE BEST TO MAYBE ANSWER SOME OF THAT. WHAT WOULD THEY PREFER OR WHAT BENEFITS ARE MOST BENEFICIAL FROM THEM? BY WORKING WITH TAD, MAYBE THROUGH SOME WORKSHOPS OR SOMETHING? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T USUALLY ASK FOR THINGS, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT WE ALL ARE KIND OF MAKING ASSUMPTIONS OF MAYBE WHAT, BUT WHAT IS COMPETITIVE? WHAT ARE OTHER DISTRICTS DOING THAT ARE MAKING PEOPLE WANT TO GO THERE? HOW DO WE HELP? YOU KNOW, MR. BAKER AND THE HR DEPARTMENT BE THE MOST COMPETITIVE EMPLOYER HERE AND IN RECRUITING. AND HOW DO WE DO THAT IN A WAY THAT EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO VALUE? I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO SAY WHEN I WAS A KISD EMPLOYEE, I ALMOST HAD A HEART ATTACK PAYING INSURANCE. I MEAN, IT WAS A LOT. AND IF YOU'RE A SINGLE HOUSEHOLD, IT IS A LOT. GO AHEAD. I THINK SOME STATS THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IN THAT AREA IS LOOKING AT WHAT EMPLOYEES TAKE THE CASH AND BENEFITS, AND A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF OUR AIDES, 360 OF THEM TAKE THE BENEFIT BUS MONITORS, 22 OF THEM CROSSING GUARDS, 34 CUSTODIANS, 36 MEDIA ATTENDANTS, 11 SCHOOL NUTRITION WORKERS, 116. SO I THINK IT FOR THOSE FOLKS, THAT'S A POWERFUL BENEFIT FOR THEM TO HAVE. ABSOLUTELY COMBINED. THAT'S 1000 OF NOT OUR HIGHEST PAID EMPLOYEES. CORRECT. YEAH. AND THAT'S FINE. I JUST I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT MAYBE THEIR VOICE IS AND MAYBE HAVE SOME OPTIONS, MAYBE FOR THE BOARD OF WHAT WE COULD DO. IS IT WORTH IT TO DO SOME OF THESE THINGS. SO THAT WAS KIND OF MY $0.02. SO CALLAN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO BE WHERE THAT 2% WITH A 13 HOUR, $13 AN HOUR, IF THERE WAS A COST, IF WE WENT TO TWICE A MONTH FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES. I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF CALLS AND LETTERS AND PEOPLE ASKING ABOUT THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT 
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WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON? IS THERE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT? WHAT IS KIND OF GOING ON WITH MAYBE POSSIBLY DOING THAT? WE'VE HAD INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PAYROLL TEAM, DEPENDING ON THE TIMING OF WHEN WE WOULD MAKE THAT SWITCH. I HATE TO SAY FRONTLINE, BUT THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WITH OUR ACCOUNTING SOFTWARE AND MAKING THOSE CHANGES DURING THE MIDDLE OF A CONTRACT PERIOD. BUT WE'VE HAD THOSE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND AGAIN, IF THAT'S A DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO GO AND FEEL LIKE THE EMPLOYEES WANT TO GO, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT CHANGE. AND DID WE DETERMINE IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE ASSOCIATED COST WITH THAT? THAT WOULD CHANGE ANY OF THE BUDGET IF LIKE WE RAN PAYROLL TWICE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING OR WAS IT EVEN I DON'T MEAN TO SAY LIKE EVERY DOLLAR DOESN'T COUNT, BUT WAS IT NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD IMPACT ENOUGH NOT TO MAKE THE DECISION? BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR HOURLY EMPLOYEES, I THINK, WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. I'M GOING TO KIND OF TAKE FOLLOW DOCTOR LEAD. I DON'T HAVE ANY DIRECT INFORMATION. THAT'S OKAY. BATTER BATTER SHOW. THAT'S OKAY. SORRY. BUT IN SPEAKING WITH PAYROLL TEAM, THERE'S NOT ANY INCREASE IN COST. SHOULD BE FAIRLY INSIGNIFICANT. OKAY. MAYBE YOU KNOW SUPPLIES TYPE THINGS, BUT OVERALL STAFF'S ALREADY IN PLACE. AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY TRYING TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. IT'S ABOUT LINING IT UP SO THAT WE CAN GET IT RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN GETTING IT WRONG WHEN YOU'RE IMPACTING PEOPLE'S PAYCHECK. SO I KNOW THAT THE TEAM IS WORKING TOWARDS THAT. WE TOO HAVE RECEIVED EMAILS, LETTERS BOTH CONFIDENTIAL AND NOT AND CONFIDENTIAL. SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT. I'VE BEEN IN OTHER SYSTEMS THAT HAVE DONE THAT AND IT HAS TAKEN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS DOABLE. SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT. OKAY. MR. MINTZ YEAH. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, PLEASE, PLEASE DO THAT. YOU ALL HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE. LIKE ALL THE EASY PROBLEMS GET SOLVED BEFORE THEY GET TO YOU, SO IT'S HARD. I EXPECT THAT YOU ALL CAN CAN TAKE CARE OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO PLEASE DO FOR OUR FOLKS, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I HAD THAT ON MY NOTES BECAUSE I WANTED TO SAY, WHY DON'T WE, INSTEAD OF DIFFERENTIATING WHICH EMPLOYEES ARE GETTING PAID TWICE A MONTH, ETC, WHY DON'T WE JUST PAY EVERYBODY TWICE A MONTH AND JUST BE DONE WITH IT? WE WILL. I'M NOT GOING TO COMMIT TO THAT. SO WE WILL INVESTIGATE AND I'M GOING TO SAY HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE DISCUSSION AND DECISION AND. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD. 
          I MEAN I DON'T I MEAN I DON'T SEE HOW IT COULD BE SO DIFFICULT. IT'S TWICE A MONTH. 
          EVERYBODY GETS PAID TWICE A MONTH, 24 PAY PERIODS. 26. YEAH. WELL IF IT'S EVERY PAY PERIOD, IT'S EVERY TIME. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT'S NOT EVERY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING PAID TWICE A MONTH AND BEING PAID FIRST AND 15TH EVERY TWO WEEKS. AND SO IF WE PAY EVERY TWO WEEKS, IT CREATES A DIFFERENT CYCLE WHERE SOME MONTHS YOU MAY GET THREE PAYCHECKS, SIX PAY PERIODS. YEAH. CORRECT. RIGHT. BUT WHEREAS TWICE A MONTH IS FIRST AND 15TH, IT WAS KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO. THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT AND DISTINCT THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON. HOW WE WOULD DO THAT. CORRECT. AND CAN THE SYSTEM DO THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE DO IT. THAT'S A BIG ISSUE. CURRENTLY, THOSE THAT ARE PAID TWICE, THEY'RE PAID TWICE A MONTH. IT'S NOT THE FIRST AND THE 15TH. IT'S A DELIBERATE SCHEDULED AND PUBLISHED PAY SCHEDULE. SO THEY ARE PAID TWICE A MONTH. IT'S BEGINNING AND END OF MONTH. BUT SOME OF THOSE HAVE TWO WEEKS IN A CHECK AND SOME HAVE THREE. JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THE CALENDAR FALLS. RIGHT. BUT THE COMPUTER CALCULATES THAT IT DOES. I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE SOMEBODY SITTING THERE WITH A LITTLE. SO MY, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO MAINTAIN THAT SCHEDULE FOR CONSISTENCY AND ADD TO NOT TO TRY AND CHANGE PAYMENT SCHEDULE ALTOGETHER. I WOULD I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT I HAD A TEACHER SHOW ME THE PAY SCHEDULE AND THEY SAID IT'S A DIFFERENT DATE EVERY MONTH. AND THEY'RE LIKE, WE CAN'T JUST GET PAID ON LIKE THE FIRST EVERY MONTH OR THE 15TH EVERY MONTH. AND I WAS LIKE, I NEVER SEEN THAT PAY SCHEDULE. 
          AND I WAS LIKE, I'LL THROW IT OUT THERE. SO I IT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE METHOD IS TO THE MADNESS. BUT. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES IT, SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT. I MEAN, WE'RE SMARTER THAN THEM. I JUST WANT TO ADD, WHEN I SAY THAT CASH IN LIEU PROGRAM, I'M NEVER IN FAVOR OF REDUCING ANYONE'S PAY BECAUSE THOSE THAT GET IT, I EITHER WANT THEM TO BE GRANDFATHERED OR ELSE ROLL THAT MONEY ON TOP OF THEIR SALARIES AND IT STOPS LOOKING LIKE THIS $200, WHATEVER INFUSION. AND THEN YOU SUNSET THE PROGRAM OR WHATEVER. WE HAD 
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VERY SIMILAR DISCUSSIONS AND AGREE. THIS IS A BUDGET ITEM. WELL, BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, I MEAN, ALL THINGS ARE ON THE TABLE THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, MR. MINTZ. SO, MR. VEIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO 2% RAISE FOR HOURLY EMPLOYEES WITH A $13 FLOOR. CORRECT. WE HAVE SOME SPECIAL MINIMUM 2500 RAISE FOR OUR SPED. AND PRINCIPALS, ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS, DEANS OF INSTRUCTION. WHAT IS WHEN YOU SAY A MINIMUM $2,500 RAISE? WHAT IS THAT? WHAT'S THE DRIVING NUMBER BEHIND THAT? SO I'D LIKE TO. THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THOSE SPECIFIC PAY GRADES. AND THEN IN OUR PROCEDURES WE DO A THREE YEAR REVIEW OF THOSE PAY GRADES. IN ORDER TO BE MORE COMPETITIVE. I'D LIKE TO TAKE AND I'M GOING TO TAKE THE PRINCIPALS FIRST. I'D LIKE TO PULL THEM OUT AND CREATE A CAMPUS ADMINISTRATOR PAY GRADE SO WE CAN BE MORE COMPETITIVE WITH OUR DISTRICTS, BECAUSE THE IF YOU RECALL THE DATA I SHOWED YOU DURING MY SYSTEM SCORECARD UPDATE SHOWS WE'RE LAGGING BEHIND. THIS WILL ALSO LET US LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE. AND I KNOW YOU BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE PAY FOR PAY FOR PERFORMANCE. AND IF YOU'VE WATCHED WHAT THEY PASSED IN THE LEGISLATURE ABOUT TIA, THAT INVOLVES PRINCIPALS AND APS AND SO WE CAN GET PREPARED FOR THAT GOING DOWN THE ROAD. SO AS YOU DO THAT AND YOU CREATE A NEW PAY GRADE AND YOU LINE EVERYBODY UP JUST FOR FAIRNESS SAKE AND LOOKING AT THEIR EXPERIENCE AND ALL THAT. BUT WE SOME FOLKS MIGHT GET A LARGER RAISE, BUT EVERYBODY WILL GET A RAISE. EVERYBODY WILL GET A MINIMUM OF 2500 IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING OKAY. SO AND WE GUESSTIMATE I'LL SAY GUESSTIMATE ESTIMATE THAT THAT'S $1 MILLION ACROSS THE BOARD. CORRECT. AND THEN 2% FOR ALL REMAINING POSITIONS. SO THAT WOULD BE A CLASSROOM TEACHER. NO CLASSROOM TEACHER AT WITH ZERO, 1 OR 2 YEARS OF ZERO 1 OR 2. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. REMEMBER THE LAW STATES RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO WALK DOWN THE ROAD TO. SO TEACHERS WITH WILL GET PAY RAISES BASED ON WHAT THE LEGEND IS THAT THE NEXT SLIDE. YEP. 
          APPARENTLY NOT. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE I DIDN'T I'M SAYING, WELL, IF I'M A CLASSROOM TEACHER THAT'S BEEN IN LIKE HOW MUCH AM I GETTING SUPPOSED TO BE 3 TO 4 YEARS, I BELIEVE IT'S 2500 AND I BELIEVE FIVE AND ABOVE IS 5000. YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO NONE OF THAT EVERYBODY WE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT OKAY. SO CAN WE GO BACK JUST ON THAT SAME ONE. YEAH. AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU'VE ANSWERED THIS. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT'S IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY GET FROM THE STATE ARE YOU JUST KNOW WE GIVE THE K FOR TEACHERS ONLY TEACHERS. YES. 012. YOU WILL GET A 2% RAISE, THREE THROUGH FIVE YOU'LL GET WHAT THE LEGISLATURE PUT FORWARD, WHICH IS A $2,500 RAISE. AND THEN FIVE AND ABOVE GET THE $5,000 RAISE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE THAT THAT THAT'S WHAT I WENT FORWARD. BUT THAT SCALE IS IN IT DIDN'T GET IN THERE. YEAH. I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT UP HERE. THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THAT WE TALKED THROUGH THAT. OKAY. NOW HERE'S MY, MY QUESTION. AND EVERY YEAR. SO THIS WILL BE LIKE MY FOURTH TIME ASKING THIS QUESTION. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN PUSH UP ANOTHER PERCENT FOR OUR HOURLY EMPLOYEES. WHAT IS THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? BECAUSE I THINK THOSE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCALE, WE SHOULD TRY TO GET THEM UP A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. NOW, IF YOU'RE PUTTING TO $13 FLOOR RATE AND I'M ASKING SAY, I MEAN THAT THAT NUMBER, THOSE NUMBERS WORK IN CONJUNCTION, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE PUSHING UP 3%, THAT'S GOING TO BE LESS PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE TO PULL UP TO THAT 13, THAT $13 AN HOUR FLOOR RATE BECAUSE YOU'RE WHAT DOES THAT NUMBER LOOK LIKE? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA BASED ON THE SLIDE THAT JUST HAD THE 1% ACROSS THE BOARD RAISE OF THAT, THE NONEXEMPT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU SAY HOURLY EXACTLY, BUT ANYBODY THAT'S CONSIDERED NONEXEMPT IS ABOUT 540 TO $600,000. SO ANY WAY WE COULD FIND THE 1% TO. BUT THAT'S NOT OFFSETTING THE $13. IT'S ACTUALLY LESS THAN IT PROBABLY WOULD BE. OKAY. IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD FIND IT IN THE BUDGET TO CLOSE THAT GAP FOR OUR FOLKS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAY SCALE? SO I'M INTERESTED IN THAT $16 AN HOUR FLOOR. WELL, I WOULD RECOMMEND WORK IN CONJUNCTION. I WOULD SAY WITH THAT I MAY NOT BE. NO, YOU GO AHEAD. I WOULD SAY WE CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING TO TELL ME. THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU GUYS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT SHE TELLS ME, THAT THE CHALLENGE IS RIGHT IS THAT WE'RE BEYOND THE PLACE WHERE WE CAN CUT THINGS. RIGHT. WE'RE MOVING INTO THE SCHOOL YEAR. IS 
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THAT WHAT'S THE COMFORT LEVEL OF THE BOARD TO MOVE INTO A DEFICIT BUDGET? RIGHT. LIKE THAT'S WE'RE REALLY TRYING HARD TO GET IT TO A BALANCE RIGHT AT SOME POINT. QUITTING. DIPPING INTO THE KITTY, I THINK, IS THE LANGUAGE BEING USED. RIGHT. AND WE'RE WE'RE ABOUT THERE LIKE WE'RE CALLEN AND THE TEAM HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF NAVIGATING THIS. AND THAT'S INCLUDING GETTING PLCS FOR OUR MIDDLE SCHOOLS. AND WE DESPERATELY NEED THAT. BUT I THINK THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT SPECIFIC AREA AND SAY, MINUS PROFESSIONALS, ALL OTHER NONEXEMPT, IS THAT THE RIGHT LANGUAGE? KELLEN WOULD BE GETTING AN ADDITIONAL 1% PAY RAISE, RIGHT? JUST PUSH THAT UP TO 3%. YOU KNOW, THAT YOU SAID IS 500,000. MAYBE IT WORKS OUT TO 350 OR 4 IF YOU DON'T. IF BECAUSE SOME OF THE $13 FLOOR FOLKS WOULD BE SUBSUMED INTO THAT. I MEAN, IF WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO A BALANCED BUDGET RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR THEM. IT'S A SMALL DIFFERENCE FOR THE DISTRICT. FOR ME. DOCTOR BILL, I NAILED IT, OKAY. IT DEPENDS ON HOW COMFORTABLE YOU ARE POTENTIALLY GOING INTO A DEFICIT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT I DON'T KNOW WHEN DO WE HAVE HOW MUCH RUNWAY WE HAVE. BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. ABSOLUTELY NONE. BECAUSE OPEN ENROLLMENT STARTS OPEN ENROLLMENT. SO COULD WE BRING THAT BACK AS AN AMENDMENT LIKE TO THIS? MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD SOMEHOW PHRASE THE RECOMMENDATION TO, I GUESS, AMEND THAT AND INCLUDE THAT IF EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE. I MEAN, I COULD JUST WE COULD I COULD JUST ADJUST THE MOTION HERE ON THE FLOOR. RIGHT. THAT'S WITHOUT KNOWING THE NUMBER THOUGH. YOU'RE WHAT DO WE THINK THAT NUMBER IS? I MEAN, IF YOU GO BACK A SLIDE, RIGHT. YOU SAID A 1% OR WHATEVER. WE SAID A 1% RAISE IS. YEAH, WELL IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'LL BE IT'LL BE LESS THAN HALF A MILLION BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOU'RE GOING TO RECOUP SOME OF THE $13 FOR IT MIGHT BE HALF A MILLION. IN WORST CASE I'D SAY HALF A MILLION. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM CAPITO. ONE OTHER QUESTION, OR ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS PREVIOUSLY WAS THAT WE HAD THE MONIES THAT WE COULD STILL TRY TO PULL SOME MORE MONEY OUT OF. SO ARE THERE STILL OTHER POSITIONS OR COULD ANY OF THIS HALF MILLION COME FROM ANY OF THAT COMP ED MONEY TO PULL IT? BECAUSE THEN WE'RE REALLY STILL GOING TO BE KIND OF BALANCED. I UNDERSTAND IT'S A NEGATIVE, BUT IT'S A NEGATIVE TO ACCESS MONEY, NOT A NEGATIVE. OVERALL. OKAY. VERY DOUBTFUL THAT ANY OF THESE EMPLOYEES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF BEING ALLOWABLE COSTS FOR STATE COMP ED, POTENTIALLY A FEW. I WOULDN'T I WOULD NOT CONSIDER THAT IN THE DECISION. WE HAVE HAD SOME INITIAL CONVERSATIONS, NEED ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH CHRISTIAN SHIN REGARDING, YOU KNOW, STATE PROGRAMS AND THERE ARE POTENTIALLY OTHER SALARIES OR OTHER PROGRAMS THAT MIGHT COULD BE TAKE THE BENEFIT OF THAT STATE COMP ED FUNDING. BUT I WOULD NOT SAY THESE THESE PARTICULAR RAISES, I WOULD EXPECT ANY OF THAT TO COUNT. MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. SO TO MR. MINTZ'S STATEMENT ADDING TO THAT, THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE A HALF $1 MILLION. SO IT DOESN'T SHOW IN THIS THIS PRESENTATION HERE, WHAT WE'RE AT WITH OUR DEFICIT. BUT THE LAST BOARD MEETING, IF I RECALL, WE WERE 6.5 MILLION IN THE RED. WE TALKED THROUGH THAT. AT THIS POINT IT'S BASICALLY BALANCED. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 150,000. WE'RE NOT IN THE RED ANYMORE. NO. AND SO IF WE ADD THIS $500,000, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE RED OR WE'RE GOING TO BE SKIMMING OFF THE TOP. I'M GOING TO SAY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE COMFORTABLE IN A LITTLE BIT IN THE RED. AGAIN, THERE STILL MAY BE A FEW CHANGES. THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT AN ABSOLUTELY FINAL PRODUCT. AGAIN, IF WE FIND POSITIONS THAT WILL QUALIFY FOR OTHER FUNDING, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, WE WILL BRING THAT BACK IN FUTURE PRESENTATIONS. WELL, BUT BUT AS WE KNOW, ALL BUDGETS ARE GOING TO VARY AND THERE'S GOING TO BE FLEXIBILITY. ABSOLUTELY. BUT SO IF WE'VE GOT THIS BUDGET TO WHERE WE'RE NEUTRAL NET ZERO, I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT NEXT MONTH WE'RE 5 MILLION IN THE RED AGAIN. 
          ABSOLUTELY. DO NOT EXPECT THAT OKAY. NO. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. THE 2 TO 3% IN A $13 FLOOR I THINK I'M WITH MR. WILLIAMS ABOUT TRYING TO GET THAT 16. AND HERE'S WHY I'M SAYING IT. BECAUSE I KNOW FROM TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THOSE JOBS THAT THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME FILLING THOSE POSITIONS FOR THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR. AND IF YOU MAKE THAT A $16 FLOOR, IT MAY IT MAY PUSH US INTO THE RED A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT WILL LITERALLY CAUSE PEOPLE TO WANT TO WORK IN THOSE JOBS BECAUSE THEY CAN MAKE MORE MONEY AT MCDONALD'S THAN THEY CAN IN OUR CAFETERIA. YOUR DEFINITION OF A LITTLE BIT, AND MY DEFINITION OF 
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A LITTLE BIT AND SOME OTHERS MAY BE DIFFERENT. I'M TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE INCENTIVE TO GO TO MCDONALD'S THAN THEY DO TO BE IN OUR SCHOOL CAFETERIA. AS FAR AS HOURLY PAY, I'D AGREE WITH YOU. THE DIFFERENCE IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE HEALTH INSURANCE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE OFFERED. I AGREE, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW THAT I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU. BUT SEE, YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T. HEALTHCARE DOESN'T FEED YOU THOUGH. AND WHEN YOUR MONEY'S JUST NOT RIGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT HAVE INTEREST, BUT YOU'RE THINKING AND NO EGGS AND POTATOES ON THE TABLE. YEAH, THEY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT HEALTHCARE. JUST MY ROUGH MATH IS FROM 13 TO 16 WOULD BE ABOUT A $5,000 A YEAR RAISE. IT'D BE GOING FROM $27,000 SALARY. AND Y'ALL STILL MAY BE DIFFERENT. I'M DOING IT BASED ON 80 HOURS AND A FULL 12 MONTHS. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING PER PERSON. I DON'T THINK I'VE GOT THAT PRESIDENT. WOULD WOULD IT BE AGAIN, IT'S JUST MAYBE A POINT OF DISCUSSION FOR MY FOR THE REST OF US HERE POSSIBLE TO IN LIEU TO GIVE THE STAFF SOME WORK, SOME SPACE TO WORK IF WE WERE TO POTENTIALLY AUTHORIZE A FIXED AMOUNT WHERE THEY COULD GO INTO THE RED. SO WHETHER WE THINK IT'S HALF A MILLION, WHETHER WE THINK IT'S BASED ON WHAT Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE 16 HOUR OR $16 AN HOUR, IF WE WERE TO SAY, LOOK, IT'S A THE STAFF IS PERMITTED TO WORK INTO A $2 MILLION DEFICIT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER GETS US AS FAR AS GETTING LOOK, I, I'M WITH YOU. WE CAN GET TO 16. BY GOD. LET'S GO TO 16. BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FISCALLY SOUND RIGHT NOW. SO IF WE AGREE AND I SEE MISS JONES SHAKING HER HEAD. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT COMFORT LEVELS. SO IF WE COULD POTENTIALLY GIVE THE STAFF THE ROOM TO WORK WITH A NUMBER THAT WE COLLECTIVELY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH, AND MAYBE IT'S 500,000, OR MAYBE IT'S 1 MILLION OR 2 MILLION, LET THE STAFF KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHY RECHARACTERIZING POSITIONS AND FIGURING OUT HOW THAT HOW THAT WOULD, WOULD BREAK DOWN. MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, SO WE TALK ABOUT OUR FEES ALL THE TIME. AND AT THE END OF THE YEAR WE HAVE FTES THAT DON'T FILL. AND SO SOME ARGUE THAT WE INSTEAD OF US GOING IN AND SAYING WE WANT 100% CAPACITY AND WE KNOW THAT'S NOT REALISTIC, WE SHOULD DROP IT DOWN TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          THAT ALWAYS IS A LITTLE FUDGE FACTOR FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO BALANCE THEIR BUDGET, OR TO FIND SOME EXTRA FUNDS TO DO THOSE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS WANT TO DO. I GET IT, BUT WE ALSO TALK ABOUT HOW WE HAVE PROGRAMS IN OUR DISTRICT THAT WE NEED TO WE NEED TO HIRE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON FIELD POSITIONS THAT WE NEED, OR WE MIGHT NEED MORE PEOPLE HERE AND MORE PEOPLE THERE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE NEED TO. SO IF WE GO TOO FAR ON THIS LIMB. WE'RE ONLY DIGGING OUR HOLE DEEPER INTO THE RED. AND THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS. IF WE RAISE IT BY 1%, THAT'S 500,000. 
          SO IF WE RAISE IT TO 2%, THAT'S A MILLION. SO THAT GETS US CLOSER TO THAT 16 MILLION OR THAT $16 AN HOUR. AND YES, I AGREE THAT YOU CAN GO WORK AT MCDONALD'S, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE WORKING AT MCDONALD'S ON MCDONALD'S HOURS AND ON THE SHIFTS THAT THEY PUT YOU ON. AND THAT MIGHT BE ON THE HOLIDAYS. THAT MIGHT BE ON THE WEEKENDS, THAT MIGHT BE AT MIDNIGHT. AND YES, THE HEALTH CARE PROGRAM MAY BE DIFFERENT. AND I GET IT. I HEAR ALL THAT. AND I HEAR THAT IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO FEED YOUR FAMILY, YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT HEALTH CARE. I GET THAT TOO. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHETHER WE GIVE THEM $16 AN HOUR OR $13 AN HOUR, I MEAN, WE GIVE THEM A LOT OF STABILITY AND WE GIVE THEM STABILITY OF THEIR WORK HOURS AND ETC. AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WILL COME AND WORK AT OUR DISTRICT ARE HERE BECAUSE OF THOSE HOURS AND THE STABILITY OF OUR SYSTEM. I JUST DON'T LIKE THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WE'RE LEVERAGING WHAT THEY CAN'T DO SOMEWHERE ELSE AGAINST THEM. I JUST I MEAN, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY FOR THE CASH IN LIEU. SO THEY GET THEY LEVERAGE US ON THAT SIDE. BUT THEN IN THIS SCENARIO WE'RE LEVERAGING. 
          AND SO I DON'T I PERSONALLY DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. HOW ABOUT THIS OPTION MISS VADEN. AND MISS SUPERINTENDENT, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IF WE GO WITH SAY, THIS PROPOSAL TONIGHT, BUT THEN WE COME BACK ONCE WE GET IN, WHAT'S THE DISTRICT OPTIMIZATION TIMELINE. AND MAYBE WE SAY, HEY, ONCE WE LOOK AT THAT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK, SAY MID-YEAR AND SAY, HERE'S THE ADJUSTMENT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE BASED ON SAVINGS. I THINK WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO REALIZE BASED ON AN OPTIMIZATION PLAN, IS THAT I'M NOT SURE WE CAN DO THAT BASED ON THE OPTIMIZATION RECOMMENDATIONS COMING, I BELIEVE, IN OCTOBER, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE COULD I JUST DON'T WANT TO ANSWER FOR 
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CALLAN BECAUSE MAN, HER WORLD IS A WHOLE NOTHER WORLD OF MY. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD NOT BE TO COME BACK AND ADD A PERCENTAGE. I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE DONE, I THINK WE'VE CALLED LIKE A RETENTION BONUS OR A FLAT AMOUNT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TYPICALLY PAID AROUND THE HOLIDAYS, AND WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT, BUT I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF BONUS. I'M TALKING ABOUT MONEY THAT YOU KEEP FOREVER. I'M TALKING ABOUT ADJUSTING PEOPLE'S SALARIES. AND I'M JUST THINKING MAYBE WE FEEL THE GROUP FEELS MORE COMFORTABLE AFTER WE REALIZE THROUGH OPTIMIZATION, HEY, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS BAD AS WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE. NOW WE CAN DO MORE POTENTIALLY. AND THAT'S JUST THINKING. SO MR. MR. PRESIDENT, COULD WE AND AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT IT TO A VOTE. MAYBE. I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH THAT. 
          WHAT COULD WE POTENTIALLY AGREE TO MAYBE 3% FOR OUR HOURLY OR NONEXEMPT EMPLOYEES. AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE EXACTLY DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE RECAPTURE THAT ON ON ANOTHER AGENDA, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T PROVIDE, WHETHER IT'S A BONUS OR, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PERCENTAGE INCREASE LATER ON ONCE WE KIND OF HAVE OUR FEET UNDER US. BUT IT SEEMS TO BE THAT THERE'S A GENERAL COMFORT WITH 3% AND THEN RELOOK AT THOSE AT THOSE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WHEN THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD MID-YEAR. MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, SO WE TALKED ABOUT ON THAT THAT SCREEN RIGHT THERE, WE TALKED ABOUT TEACHERS AND ETCETERA, AND THE 2500, THE 5000 AND ETCETERA. WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T FALL IN? HOW ABOUT CAMPUS FACILITATORS AND LIBRARIANS AND TECHNOLOGISTS? WHERE DO THEY FALL IN ON THIS? THAT WOULD BE THE 2% FOR ANY REMAINING POSITIONS. IT WOULD BE WHAT? THE 2% THAT'S LISTED. THAT'S IT FOR ALL REMAINING POSITIONS. SO IF YOU'RE NOT IN ONE OF THOSE SPECIFIC CATEGORIES, EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD GET 2% BASED ON THIS RECOMMENDATION FOR ALL REMAINING POSITIONS. 2%. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? A VOTE FOR A RECOMMENDATION AND A VOTE. AN INSURANCE VOTE TO. THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM, MR. MINTZ. MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE TO APPROVE. A 3% GENERAL PAY INCREASE WITH THE $13 FLOOR FOR NONEXEMPT EMPLOYEES, A MINIMUM $2,500 RAISE FOR SPECIAL EDUCATION EVALUATION POSITIONS, PRINCIPALS, ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS AND DEANS OF INSTRUCTION WITH A PAY GRADE ADJUSTMENT, A 2% GENERAL PAY INCREASE FOR ALL REMAINING POSITIONS, AND A $425 EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION TO THE DISTRICT HEALTH INSURANCE MONTHLY PREMIUM FOR THE 2025 2026 SCHOOL YEAR. AS PRESENTED, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. MINTZ. WE HAVE A SECOND BY SECRETARY ADAMS. ANY UNREADINESS I THINK THERE'S SOME UNREADINESS. WHAT IS THE UNREADINESS? SPEAKER? IF I JUST AMEND MY MOTION AS WELL AS 27 TEACHER FTES FOR MIDDLE SCHOOL PLCS AND MATH AND SCIENCE. OKAY, I'M SORRY. SORRY. 
          IT SHOULD BE READING, MATH AND READING AS PRESENTED. OKAY. MR. LET'S JUST LET'S JUST RESTATE THAT MOTION. YES, SIR. ONE MORE TIME. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO APPROVE A 3% GENERAL PAY INCREASE WITH A $13 FLOOR FOR NONEXEMPT EMPLOYEES. MINIMUM $2,500 RAISE FOR SPECIAL EDUCATION EVALUATION POSITIONS, PRINCIPALS, ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS AND DEANS OF INSTRUCTION WITH A PAY GRADE ADJUSTMENT, A 2% GENERAL PAY INCREASE FOR ALL REMAINING EMPLOYEES, A MOVE APPROVING 27 TEACHER FTES FOR MIDDLE SCHOOL PLCS IN MATH AND READING, AND A $425 EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION TO THE DISTRICT HEALTH INSURANCE MONTHLY PREMIUM FOR THE 2025 2026 SCHOOL YEAR AS PRESENTED, WHERE EVERYBODY'S WE CAPTURED EVERYTHING. THANK YOU FOR THAT SUPPORT MOTION BY MR. MINTZ. WE HAVE A SECOND BY SECRETARY ADAMS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY TRUSTEES, MR. RAINWATER? YES, SIR. DOLLAR. YES, SIR. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK. THAT THAT IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE GIVING THEM TO TRY TO WORK ON THAT. BUT FOR THE SAKE OF TRYING TO GET 
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THEM DOWN THE ROAD RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO SETTLE FOR A LACK OF BETTER WORDS ON THAT. MR. CAN I AMEND MY MOTION AGAIN? I THINK SO, YEAH. MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO APPROVE A 3% GENERAL PAY INCREASE WITH A $13 FLOOR FOR NONEXEMPT EMPLOYEES, MINIMUM $2,500 RAISE FOR SPECIAL EDUCATION EVALUATION POSITIONS, PRINCIPALS, ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS AND DEANS OF INSTRUCTION WITH A PAY GRADE ADJUSTMENT, A 2% GENERAL PAY INCREASE FOR ALL REMAINING POSITIONS. ADDING 27 TEACHER FTES FOR MIDDLE SCHOOL PLTW PLCS IN MATH AND READING. A $425 EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION TO THE DISTRICT HEALTH INSURANCE MONTHLY PREMIUM FOR THE 2526 SCHOOL YEAR, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL STAFF GUIDANCE TO EXAMINE THE POTENTIALITY OF AN INCREASE IN FOUR RATE FOR NONEXEMPT EMPLOYEES SOMETIME LATER IN THE SCHOOL YEAR. SO YOU HAVE THE REPEATED MOTION BY MR. MINTZ WITH THE ADDED DIRECTION. AND MISS SECRETARY ADAMS SECONDED THAT MOTION. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS THAT SUPPORT YOU MORE, MR. RAINWATER? THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THERE BEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SHOW OF HANDS. WE HAVE SIX IN FAVOR. THOSE OPPOSED? WE HAVE SIX IN FAVOR. WE HAVE ONE IN OPPOSITION. AND MR. GILCHRIST PASSES BY 6 TO 1 VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL NOW GO TO ITEM G, WHICH IS A CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION DESIGNATING AUTHORIZED SIGNERS OF DISTRICT FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS. MISS VADEN, OKAY. ANYTIME THERE IS A CHANGE IN AUTHORIZED DISTRICT SIGNERS OF FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING CHECKS THE BOARD MUST DESIGNATE THROUGH A RESOLUTION, THE NEW AUTHORIZED SIGNERS, KISD HAS TYPICALLY AUTHORIZED THE BOARD PRESIDENT, THE SUPERINTENDENT, THE DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT FOR BUSINESS AND OPERATIONS, AND THEN THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER AS AUTHORIZED SIGNERS. AND SO WE WOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO CONTINUE TO LIST THOSE POSITION. WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO IS ADD SCOTT INTO THE DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT ROLE AND REPLACING MISS BRADLEY. QUESTIONS FROM TRUSTEES. THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. MADAM CAPITO, I THOUGHT YOU WERE READY TO MAKE A MOTION, MR. GILCHRIST. MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION DESIGNATING THE PERSONS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN DISTRICT FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING CHECKS AS PRESENTED. I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. GILCHRIST, SECOND BY SECRETARY ADAMS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY TRUSTEES? THERE BEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, F7 IN FAVOR. NONE IN OPPOSITION. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO H, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING FACSIMILE SIGNATURES. MISS VADEN, THIS IS VERY, VERY SIMILAR ITEM. AS YOU ARE LIKELY AWARE, WE DO PRODUCE SEVERAL CHECKS OVER THE COURSE OF OUR BUSINESS HERE. AND SO THOSE ARE NOT PHYSICALLY SIGNED. 
          THERE'S FACSIMILE SIGNATURES THAT GO ON THOSE. AND SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION JUST TO AUTHORIZE THOSE FACSIMILE SIGNATURES AS WELL FOR THOSE. SAME FOR POSITIONS. QUESTIONS FROM TRUSTEES. THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM, MR. GILCHRIST. MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION ALLOWING OUR DEPOSITORY INSTITUTION, JPMORGAN CHASE, TO HONOR CHECKS, DRAFTS AND OTHER ORDERS WITH FACSIMILE SIGNATURES. MOTION BY MR. GILCHRIST, SECOND BY MR. MITTS. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY TRUSTEES, THERE BEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS OF SEVEN. IN FAVOR. NONE IN OPPOSITION. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL GO TO ITEM I, WHICH IS A CONSIDERATION OF THE FRANKLIN AND EMILY FRANKLIN AND EMILY PRATT LEARNING AND LEADERSHIP CENTER, ROOF REPLACEMENT PROJECT CONTRACTOR. ANGLER. WELCOME, MR. RICH. THANK YOU SIR. ON NOVEMBER 12TH OF 2024, THE BOARD APPROVED THE SELECTION OF ENGINEERED EXTERIORS AS THE ROOFING CONSULTANT ENGINEER FOR OUR ROOF REPLACEMENT PROJECTS RELATED TO THE MAY 2024 HAILSTORM. AND ON JANUARY 14TH OF THIS YEAR, THE BOARD APPROVED A CONTRACT WITH THEM. ON MAY 5TH, THE DISTRICT ISSUED A REQUEST FOR COMPETITIVE PROPOSALS, AND PROPOSALS WERE RECEIVED ON JUNE 5TH OF 2025. STAFF GRADED AND RANKED THE PROPOSALS BASED ON THE CRITERIA SHOWN ON THE CONTRACTOR RANK ORDER, AND ESCOLA, LLC IS THE TOP RANKED CONTRACTOR. THEIR BID OF $4,639,906 INCLUDES A $200,000 CONTINGENCY ALLOWANCE IF A IF APPROVED, WE PLAN TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT OVER FALL OF 2025, WITH CONSTRUCTION PLANNED TO BEGIN IN SEPTEMBER AND SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION PLANNED FOR JANUARY 30TH OF 26. THIS PROJECT WILL BE FUNDED USING THE STRATEGIC FACILITIES PLAN. BUDGET AND REIMBURSEMENT WILL BE SOUGHT THROUGH THE DISTRICT'S PROPERTY INSURANCE POLICY. THE ADMINISTRATIVE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THE 
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PROPOSED RANK, ORDER OF CONTRACTORS AND DELEGATE AUTHORITY TO THE SUPERINTENDENT TO EXECUTE QUESTIONS FOR MR. RICH. MR. MINUTES. MR. RICH, DO WE HAVE EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH WITH THAT FIRM? I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING WE'VE NOT HAD ANY PRIOR EXPERIENCE. WE OBVIOUSLY THOROUGHLY REVIEW QUALIFICATIONS AND THEY ARE A VERY BIG ORGANIZATION THAT HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK AROUND US. SO QUALIFICATIONS LOOK VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SIR. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. RICH? THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. MR. GILCHRIST. MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED RANK ORDER OF THE CONTRACTORS FOR THE FRANKLIN AND EMILY PRATT LEARNING AND LEADERSHIP CENTER ROOF REPLACEMENT PROJECT, AND TO DELEGATE AUTHORITY TO THE SUPERINTENDENT OR DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT, PROVIDED THERE ARE NO MATERIAL CHANGES TO THE CONTRACT INCLUDED WITH THE PROCUREMENT PACKAGE. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. GILCHRIST. WE HAVE A SECOND BY MADAME CAPITO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY TRUSTEES THERE BEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. 11 IN FAVOR. NONE IN OPPOSITION. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL NOW GO TO J, WHICH IS A CONSIDERATION OF SELECTION OF ARCHITECT FOR THE EXISTING CENTRAL ADMINISTRATION BUILDING RENOVATION PROJECT. MR. RICH, THANK YOU SIR. SO AT THE JUNE 10TH BOARD MEETING, THE BOARD REVIEWED ADMINISTRATION CONSOLIDATION OPTIONS RELATED TO THE FUTURE CENTRAL ADMINISTRATION BUILDING RENOVATION PROJECT, THE EXISTING CENTRAL ADMINISTRATION BUILDING THAT WE'RE SITTING IN TODAY IS PLANNED TO BE VACATED ON SEPTEMBER OF 2026, FOLLOWING DEPARTMENTAL RELOCATIONS TO THE FUTURE CENTRAL ADMIN BUILDING, LOCATED AT 777 NORTH TWIN CREEK DRIVE. AND I'LL GET INTO THE PRESENTATION. SO THIS PROJECT TO RENOVATE OUR EXISTING ADMIN BUILDING WOULD INCLUDE RELOCATING KILLEEN ISD POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FEDERAL PROGRAMS DEPARTMENT, SPECIALIZED LEARNING, EARLY CHILDHOOD ASSESSMENT AND TESTING. WE CALL IT KEY CAT AND SPECIALIZED LEARNING PARENT EDUCATORS. THE KILLEEN ISD POLICE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY OFFICES AT THE GATEWAY CAMPUS IN A FORMER ACTIVITY BUILDING, A P.E. BUILDING ABOUT 4000FT■!S. THEY HAVE SPACE FOR X STAFF MEMBERS, MINIMAL MEETING SPACES. IT HAS GATED PARKING FOR 18 VEHICLES, AND THE PROCESSING AND STORAGE SPACES ARE INADEQUATE. THE OFFICE OBVIOUSLY THIS BUILDING IS 18,500FT■!S. TY WOULD BE TAKING ABOUT HALF OF IT. THAT WILL GIVE THEM SPACE FOR 13 STAFF MEMBERS, MULTIPLE CONFERENCE AND TRAINING SPACES, GATED PARKING THAT WE WOULD ADD IN THE BACK PARKING LOT FOR 40 TO 50 VEHICLES, AND ADEQUATE PROCESSING AND STORAGE SPACES. THE FEDERAL PROGRAMS DEPARTMENT HAS SIX STAFF MEMBERS THAT CURRENTLY OFFICE AT THE DOC JACKSON PROFESSIONAL LEARNING CENTER THAT WE CALL JFLCC. IT'S ABOUT 3400FT■!S. THEY OVERSEE TE CLOTHES CLOSET AND FOOD PANTRY PROGRAMS AND RUN SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS OUT OF THE BUILDING, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE HOLIDAYS AND THE START OF SCHOOL. SO RELOCATION OF THEIR DEPARTMENT WILL ALLOW US TO DECOMMISSION THE JPL FACILITY. SPECIALIZED LEARNING HAS THREE STAFF MEMBERS FOR THE KEYCAP PROGRAM. THEY PROVIDE EARLY CHILDHOOD ASSESSMENTS TO ENSURE PROPER PROGRAM PLACEMENTS FOR OUR SPECIALIZED LEARNING STUDENTS. 
          THEY USE A SPACE THAT'S ABOUT TWO CLASSROOMS IN SIZE 1500 SQUARE FEET. THEY'RE CURRENTLY AT KILLEEN LEARNING SUPPORT SERVICES THAT WE CALL CLSS. THE PARENT EDUCATORS ARE THREE STAFF MEMBERS. THEY'RE IN ABOUT A CLASSROOM SIZE SPACE, ALSO AT CLSS. RELOCATING BOTH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS WILL ALLOW FOR DECOMMISSIONING OF CLSS. SO THIS INCLUDES TO LOOK AT THE SFP BALANCE THAT I PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING. THIS INCLUDES THREE PROJECTS, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT ALL THREE IN FUTURE ITEMS. BUT FOR THIS PURPOSE, THIS IS THE BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT. TO RENOVATE THIS BUILDING WOULD BE 1.6 MILLION. THAT'S A TOTAL PROJECT COST TO INCLUDE DESIGN FEES, FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT AND CONTINGENCY DOLLARS. AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SFP BALANCE FOLLOWING THE CENTRAL ADMIN BUILDING RENOVATION PROJECT, AND THEN YOU FACTOR IN THE THREE PROJECTS YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT, THAT LEAVES US WITH $36.79 MILLION IN THE SFP. ONE THING TO NOTE IS THAT THIS SPREADSHEET DOES NOT INCLUDE WHAT YOU JUST HEARD IN THE BUDGET PRESENTATION, WHICH IS MOVING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT DOLLARS TO BE FUNDED THROUGH THE SFP. SO THAT'S GOING TO AMOUNT TO ANOTHER $6 MILLION FROM THE SFP THAT WILL BE USING IN THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. SO THE SFP BALANCE WOULD BE MORE LIKE 30.79 MILLION. AND I'VE ALSO PRESENTED THIS PREVIOUSLY. BUT IF WE ARE ABLE TO DECOMMISSION KLSE AND JPL AND AUCTION OR EXCHANGE THEM AND GET THEM OFF OF OUR PROPERTY INVENTORY, THAT WOULD SAVE US ROUGHLY 8.25 MILLION IN ANTICIPATED LIFECYCLE REPLACEMENT COSTS THAT ARE DUE NOW OR WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, AND AS WELL AS ANNUAL OPERATING COSTS OF 315,000 A YEAR THAT WE PAY FOR BOTH OF THOSE FACILITIES. POTENTIAL TIMELINE IF APPROVED, WE'LL 
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BRING A CONTRACT. SO THIS IS TO APPROVE THE SELECTION OF THE ARCHITECT. THERE'S NO FEES ASSOCIATED OR NO COST WITH THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY. BUT IF YOU DO APPROVE THAT, I'LL BRING A CONTRACT FORWARD AT THE AUGUST MEETING. WE WILL BRING THE CONTRACTOR. WE'LL CREATE DRAWINGS ISSUING FOR BID. BRING A CONTRACTOR TO YOU ALL TO APPROVE IN MARCH OF 26. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE CONSTRUCTION ON THIS BUILDING. THERE WILL BE A BIT OF A DELAY BETWEEN MARCH OF 26 AND WHEN WE COULD START CONSTRUCTION IN SEPTEMBER. THAT'LL GIVE THEM PLENTY OF TIME TO ORDER. MATERIALS AND CONSTRUCTION WOULD OCCUR FROM SEPTEMBER OF 26 THROUGH MARCH OF 27, AND WE WOULD MOVE IN IN APRIL OF 27. ADAM, JUST STATE AGAIN TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, AND THEY PROBABLY DO. WHICH ONE OF THOSE DATES. I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S THE. AUGUST 25TH WHEN YOU GET THE GMP, WHICH IS WHEN YOU'RE REALLY ALL IN AND YOU'RE NOT TURNING AROUND. 
          CORRECT. THE BOARD APPROVAL ON MARCH 17TH OF 26, WHEN THE BOARD APPROVES THE CONTRACTOR RANK ORDER, THAT'S WHEN YOU'D BE APPROVING THE BIG CONSTRUCTION COSTS. THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ARCHITECT FEE THAT WILL COME IN AUGUST, BUT THAT'S RELATIVELY SMALL COMPARED TO THE OVERALL PROJECT. CORRECT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. RICH? THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. MADAM SECRETARY. MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO APPROVE COMMISSIONING HUCKABEE ARCHITECTS AS THE ARCHITECTS FOR THE EXISTING CENTRAL ADMIN BUILDING RENOVATION PROJECT AND TO DELEGATE AUTHORITY TO THE SUPERINTENDENT OR DESIGNEE TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD FOR POSSIBLE ACTION. MOTION BY SECRETARY ADAMS. SECOND BY MADAM CAPITO, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY TRUSTEES, THERE BEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SHOW OF HANDS. WE HAVE SEVEN IN FAVOR. NONE IN OPPOSITION. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I MOVE TO K, WHICH IS THE CONSIDERATION OF SELECTION OF ARCHITECT FOR THE ALICE W DALLAS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DATA CENTER RELOCATION PROJECT, MR. RICH. YES, SIR. SO AGAIN, AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING, THE BOARD REVIEWED ADMINISTRATIVE CONSOLIDATION OPTIONS. THE EXISTING BUILDING IS ALSO PLANNED TO BE VACATED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2026. ONCE WE RELOCATE TO THE FUTURE CENTRAL ADMIN BUILDING. AND SO THIS IS KIND OF ONE OF THE LAST COMPONENTS THAT IS CURRENTLY AT KLSE. AND THAT'S THE DATA ONE OF OUR DATA CENTERS. AND SO THIS WOULD RELOCATE THAT DATA CENTER FROM KLSE TO ALICE W DALLAS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THAT IS A LOCATION PREFERRED BY OUR TECHNOLOGY SERVICES TEAM BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION WITHIN THE SOUTHERN REGION OF THE DISTRICT. BEING LOCATED THERE KEEPS IT ON A SEPARATE POWER GRID IN THE EVENT OF AN AREA WIDE OUTAGE. IT ALSO OUR OTHER DATA CENTER IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE DISTRICT, SO IT GIVES GOOD SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO. IT DOES REQUIRE RELOCATION. POSSIBLY A REPLACEMENT WILL EVALUATE THE SYSTEM OF THE EMERGENCY GENERATOR THAT SERVES THE DATA CENTER. IT REQUIRES UPGRADED HVAC SYSTEMS AND IT WILL ALLOW FOR, AS I SAID, THE DECOMMISSIONING OF KLSE POSSIBLE AUCTION OR EXCHANGE. SO THE PLAN WOULD BE TO INSTALL THE NEW DATA CENTER IN AN EXISTING IT CLOSET AT DALLAS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, SO IT WOULD HAVE NO IMPACT. WE DO HAVE TO TAKE A STORAGE ROOM THAT'S NEARBY, BUT IT WOULD HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE BUILDING'S CAPACITY OR FUNCTIONS. THIS PROJECT IS BUDGETED AT $1 MILLION. AGAIN, THAT'S THE TOTAL PROJECT COST. AND THIS IS THE SAME THING I JUST SHOWED YOU. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS SUPPORTS DEFERRING LIFECYCLE REPLACEMENT COSTS OR ANNUAL OPERATING COSTS TO THE TUNE OF 8.25 MILLION AND $350,000 A YEAR. SO IF APPROVED, WE'LL AGAIN BRING AN ARCHITECT CONTRACT TO YOU AT THE AUGUST MEETING. WE PLAN ON BRINGING A CONTRACTOR TO THE BOARD IN JANUARY OF 2026, AND WE WOULD BEGIN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT AWAY, PLAN FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS WITH AN APRIL 2026 MOVE IN. QUESTIONS FROM MR. RICH. THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. MR. GILCHRIST. MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE COMMISSION OF HUCKABEE ARCHITECTS AS THE ARCHITECT FOR THE ALICE W DALLAS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DATA CENTER RELOCATION PROJECT AND TO DELEGATE AUTHORITY TO THE SUPERINTENDENT OR DESIGNEE TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD FOR POSSIBLE ACTION MOTION BY MR. GILCHRIST. WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. MINTZ. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY TRUSTEES, THERE BEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. SEVEN IN FAVOR. 
          NONE IN OPPOSITION. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL NOW GO TO L, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF SELECTION OF ARCHITECT FOR THE FRANKLIN AND EMILY PRATT LEARNING AND LEADERSHIP CENTER RENOVATION PROJECT. MR. RICH, THANK YOU SIR. SO THE EXISTING FRANKLIN AND EMILY PRATT LEARNING AND LEADERSHIP CENTER IS PLANNED TO ALSO BE VACATED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2026. WHEN WE MOVE OUR LEARNING SERVICE, OUR CURRICULUM AND INSTRUCTION TEAM, AND EDUCATION FOUNDATION COMMUNITY RELATIONS, I'M SURE THERE'S A DEPARTMENT I'M FORGETTING WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THEM ALL TO THE NEW ADMIN BUILDING IN SEPTEMBER OF 26. THIS PROJECT WILL RELOCATE OUR CENTRAL PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT CENTER FROM JPL TO PRATT LEARNING AND LEADERSHIP CENTER. 
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SO AGAIN, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE DECOMMISSIONING OF JPL. THIS ALSO RELOCATES OUR MEDIA CENTER, THE DISTRICT WIDE MEDIA CENTER FROM JPL TO PRATT. THE MEDIA MEDIA CENTER IS USED BY ALL DISTRICT STAFF, PRIMARILY INSTRUCTORS. I WOULD IMAGINE, FOR DOCUMENT PRODUCTION. SO THIS WOULD PROVIDE APPROXIMATELY TWICE AS MANY MEETING SPACES AS PRATT AT PRATT IN COMPARISON TO JPL. THERE'S A CHART THERE FOR REFERENCE. THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. WE'RE NOT DOING JUST A HUGE RENOVATION OF THE BUILDING, BUT WE DO WANT TO REPAINT THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR, REMOVE THE LOCKERS IN THE HALLWAYS AND PATCH THE FLOORING, WHITEBOARD AND PROJECTOR REPLACEMENTS. WE'D ALSO CONVERT SOME CLASSROOMS TO MEDIUM AND LARGE CONFERENCE ROOMS, SO YOU WOULD TAKE OUT THE DIVIDING WALL BETWEEN TWO CLASSROOMS TO CREATE A LARGER CONFERENCE ROOM THERE, SIGNAGE REPLACEMENT. AND THEN WE ARE ADDRESSING THE ROOF AND HVAC THROUGH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. THE BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT IS 1.8 MILLION. THAT'S THE TOTAL PROJECT COST. AGAIN, THE LIFE CYCLE REPLACEMENTS THAT WE'D BE DEFERRING. SO IF APPROVED, WE'LL BRING A ARCHITECT PROPOSAL TO YOU IN AUGUST AND WE WILL BRING A CONTRACTOR RANK ORDER TO YOU IN MARCH OF 2026. AND THEN FROM SEPTEMBER OF 26 THROUGH FEBRUARY OF 27, WE WOULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH A COMPLETION MOVE IN IN MARCH OF 2027. QUESTIONS FOR MR. RICH I HAVE TWO MR. RICH. YES, SIR. HOW DOES A POTENTIAL CLINIC FACTOR INTO THIS IS THAT BEING CONSIDERED? I KNOW THAT WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS PREVIOUSLY, BUT ARE WE GOING TO BE PREPARED SO THE BOARD DOES HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY IF WE SO CHOOSE. YES, SIR. SO THERE'S AN RFP OUT RIGHT NOW FOR THE CLINIC AND WE WOULD BRING WE'LL BRING THE RANKING TO YOU ALL I BELIEVE IN THE NEXT MONTH I THINK IN AUGUST. I MIGHT BE WRONG ON THAT, MAYBE SEPTEMBER. SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IF WE WERE TO PUT A CLINIC IN THE BUILDING IS WE'LL LOSE ONE CONFERENCE ROOM. SO YOU'RE THAT IS BEING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. SO THE FLEXIBILITY IS THERE. YES, SIR. 
          AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE OPTION TO INCLUDE IN THIS PROJECT? I KNOW OCCASIONALLY WE TALK ABOUT DOING BOARD MEETINGS AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. AND I KNOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING A NEW FACILITY, BUT THE POTENTIAL TO GET TO THAT SIDE OF TOWN, WHICH IS CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY, TO MAYBE DO A MEETING OR A WORKSHOP THERE ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR, JUST BEING MORE ACCESSIBLE. WE'VE DONE IT A COUPLE OF TIMES DURING MY TENURE, BUT IS THAT A GAME CHANGER IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET TO. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HEAR ALL THE TIME. WE SAY WE WANT TO GO OUT AND DO A MEETING SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND WE TALK ABOUT HOW HARD IT IS TO BROADCAST OR IF IT'S A TOWN HALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND WE'RE BRINGING PEOPLE IN. WE'VE GOT A BROADCAST BY STATE LAW. 
          CAN WE GET A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY MAYBE IN THIS FACILITY TO. SO WE'RE GOING TO RENOVATE THE CAFETERIA TO SERVE AS A VERY LARGE CONFERENCE ROOM. SO SOUND SYSTEM PROJECTORS, SCREENS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD SERVE WELL FOR A BOARD MEETING. IT WOULDN'T BE ON A FORMAL DAIS. WE'D HAVE TO BRING IN SOME TEMPORARY TABLES LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. BUT YES, SIR, I THINK THE MEDIA PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE CAMERAS AND ALL THIS STUFF THEY HAVE TO DO. SO IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD FACTOR THAT IN? SO THAT'S NOT A DETERRENT. WHEN WE SAY WE WANT TO DO A TOWN HALL OUT REMOTELY, AND THAT MIGHT JUST KIND OF BE OUR CENTRALIZED TOWN HALL LOCATION, BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY IS THE MIDDLE OF PRETTY MUCH AS YOU COULD BE. YES, SIR. WE COULD WE COULD INCORPORATE A SIMILAR SYSTEM AS WE HAVE HERE. YES, SIR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, TRUSTEES, THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. MR. MINTZ. MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO APPROVE COMMISSIONING HUCKABEE ARCHITECTS AS THE ARCHITECT FOR THE FRANKLIN AND EMILY PRATT LEARNING AND LEADERSHIP CENTER RENOVATION PROJECT, AND TO DELEGATE AUTHORITY TO THE SUPERINTENDENT OR DESIGNEE TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD FOR POSSIBLE ACTION. THE MOTION BY MR. MINTZ, SECOND BY MADAM CAPITO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY TRUSTEES, THERE BEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. ALL SEVEN IN FAVOR? NONE IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. NOW MOVE TO SIX, WHICH IS INFORMATION ITEMS FOR 
          [VI. Information Items for Discussion]
DISCUSSION, A DISCUSSION OF FUTURE BOARD MEETING AGENDAS AND TRUSTEE REMARKS. AND WE'LL START WITH DOCTOR JOANNE THING. SO BOARD MEMBERS, YOU'VE HAD THE AUGUST 5TH AGENDA IN THE PACKET. 
          IT IS A BOARD WORKSHOP. SO THERE ARE LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS. WE WILL BE BRINGING SOME ROUTINE ITEMS, BUT WE'LL ALSO BE CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION AROUND OUR BUDGET AND SETTING DATES FOR THAT FULL BUDGET ADOPTION. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE THOSE NOW. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DOCTOR FATE? MR. MINTZ? I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW. DAP UPDATE AND SUMMER SCHOOL FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          MR. ARE YOU OKAY? WITHIN THE NEXT. I'LL JUST TWO MONTHS. I'LL BRING THAT BACK TO BOARD OFFICER MEETING ON THURSDAY AND WE'LL DISCUSS WHAT TERRY, WHEN THAT CAN BE PREPARED. THANK YOU. MR. MINUTES ARE YOU OKAY WITH PIGGYBACKING ON THAT WITH AN AFTER ACTION FOR THIS SUMMER? DO 
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YOU WANT YOURS TO BE SEPARATE? NO. I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF TIME AND EFFICIENCY, WE SHOULD PIGGYBACK IT ON. OKAY, DOCTOR. THANK YOU. GOT THAT NOTE THAT SAY YES OR NO? YES, YES. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM. MADAM CAPUTO? CAN CAN WE GET THE INFORMATION FOR THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL? I WOULD LIKE TO JUST KNOW KIND OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TOUCH BASE AND STUFF JUST A LITTLE SOONER SO WE CAN PLAN. ANY OTHER FEEDBACK RELATED TO THE AGENDAS. NO. DOCTOR FAYE AND I, THIS ONE ENJOYS OUT THERE, OUR ATTORNEY. SO THE CHANGE DATE FOR OUR MEETING TIMES WILL BE STARTING SEPTEMBER 1ST. BY NEW LAW, WE WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO DO WORKSHOPS AT 9 A.M, SO WE'RE NOW GOING TO SLOT INTO A 5 P.M. AT THE EARLIEST START. OR IS IT? WHAT'S THE EARLIEST BY LAW? DOCTOR FAYE I'M SORRY. AFTER HOURS AND I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE FIVE. SOME DISTRICTS ARE SKIRTING THAT A LITTLE BIT. GOING WITH END OF SCHOOL DAY, THAT COULD BE 330 SOME DISTRICTS WE'RE FINDING. BUT I WOULD SAY TO KEEP THINGS SAFE 5:00 AND THAT WORKS FOR THE BOARD AS WELL. WHO ALL WORKS. SO, SO I WILL WORK WITH DOCTOR. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET AN IDEA IF WE WANT TO JUST MAKE SIX THIS SIX THIS CONSISTENT TIME, OR DO WE WANT TO MAKE WORKSHOPS FIVE AND WE JUST NEED TO GET SOME TYPE OF IDEA. AND DOCTOR FAYE, DO YOU HAVE ANY GUIDANCE FOR US IN TERMS OF HOW OUR AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK TO OUR COUNSEL OUT THERE AGAIN FOR OUR CLOSED SESSIONS? WE CAN'T. COULD WE DO CLOSED SESSIONS EARLIER. IS THAT PUSH THAT WINDOW BACK AGAIN? AND I KNOW WE TALKED AND I BELIEVE WE CAN DO CLOSED SESSIONS EARLIER, BUT WE DO HAVE COUNCIL HILL. SO WE CAN ASK HER IF SHE CAN ANSWER THAT FOR US. JOEY MOORE, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. I MAY WANT TO ADVISE THE BOARD IN CLOSED SESSION ON ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE DISCUSSION ON THAT, BECAUSE WE STILL NEED TO ANALYZE THE STATUTE, I THINK. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, MR. GILCHRIST? HOW MANY WORKSHOPS, HOW MANY MEETINGS? IT'S STILL KEEPING THAT SAME CADENCE OR WHAT? OKAY, OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE IN TERMS OF THE AGENDAS, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, GOING BACK TO THE TIME FRAME. DISREGARDING THE CLOSED SESSION ITEM. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE AT 6 P.M. ACROSS THE BOARD FOR WORKSHOPS AND FOR SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS BECAUSE THE STAFF FOR THE SCHOOL OR THE KISD STAFF MAY GET OFF AT 330 OR 430, BUT THE MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORKING COMMUNITY, THEY GET OFF AT 5 OR 530. AND SO 6:00 JUST GIVES EVERYBODY THE TIME TO GET THEIR KIDS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, GET PARENTS, YOU KNOW, AND GET PARENTS BACK INTO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IF WE NEED TO. AND IT ALSO HELPS FOR RECOGNITION IF THEY HAVE TO GET THEIR CHILD PREPARED TO COME IN FOR RECOGNITIONS. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE KEEP FOR CONSISTENCY PURPOSES AT 6 P.M. 
          WELL, YEAH, WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO MOVE OUR MEETINGS. BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT THE WORKSHOPS TO BE COINCIDE TO 6 P.M. YES. OKAY. NOTED. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. JOANNE OKAY. 
          TRUSTEE REMARKS WE'LL START WITH MADAM CAPITO. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU, MR. MINTZ. NOTHING. THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY. WELL, MR. GILCHREST. MR. RAINWATER, I SURE WOULD LIKE TO GET QUICKLY THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE $16 FOR SALARIES FOR EMPLOYEES SO WE CAN GET THAT DECISION MADE. AND THEN I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE I HAD TO BE EXCUSED FOR A MINUTE ABOUT THE PAY CYCLES. ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STANDARDIZE THE PAY CYCLES OR NOT STANDARDIZED OR THE FIRST IN THE 15TH, OR WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT, TRYING TO AT LEAST GET HOURLY EMPLOYEES BEING ABLE TO BE PAID TWICE A MONTH MINIMUM. AND SO I BELIEVE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT, AND A LOT OF IT IS DEPENDENT ON SYSTEMS THAT WE'RE OUR SOFTWARE SYSTEMS THAT WE'RE RELYING UPON TO TURN THOSE THINGS OVER. SO YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK I'VE HEARD KAREN SAY, AND KAREN, I WON'T PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, KAREN, THAT THE SOFTWARE YOU HAVE ISN'T REALLY ALL THAT GREAT. BUT I REALLY NEED AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW. I'M GOING TO 
          [03:15:08]
SAY THAT IS VERY TRUE. THE SOFTWARE THAT WE USE CURRENTLY, I'M GOING TO SAY, IS NOT THE EASIEST. IT A LOT A LOT OF STEPS VERY IN MY OPINION, VERY DIFFICULT OFTEN TO DO WHAT WE NEED IT TO DO. COULD, COULD WE GET SOME INFORMATION ABOUT FIXING THAT OR REPLACING IT? WE HAVE A MEETING ON OUR CALENDAR, I THINK LATER IN THE WEEK TO START EXPLORING DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR KISD. YES. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE, MR. RAINWATER? NO. I'M HAPPY. MAYOR. 
          ARE YOU GOOD? MR. GILCHRIST, I KNOW YOU. I'M SORRY, HE CLARIFIED. HE CLARIFIED THAT. 
          OKAY, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, HAPPY AS I CAN BE. GOOD. SO LAST THING FOR ME. I JUST WANT TO SAY, DOCTOR FAYE TO YOUR TEAM. I KNOW WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ON THE HOMESCHOOL PARTICIPATION, AND I WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD, I DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO COMPROMISE OUR KIDS ELIGIBILITY. BUT I THINK THE HOMESCHOOL KIDS SHOULD BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. BUT I DON'T WANT YOUR TEAM TO JUST GO CLOSE THEIR EYES AND FORGET ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT I THINK WOULD SUPPORT IT, BUT THEY NEED MORE INFORMATION, AND I DON'T WANT US TO GET TO THE END OF THE YEAR. AND WE'RE HERE NEXT SUMMER AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WE HADN'T. NO, WE NEED TO START GETTING HOMESCHOOL DATA NOW SO WE CAN TRY, AT LEAST FOR ME, BECAUSE I'M INTERESTED IN HOW THE SYSTEM WILL WORK SO WE CAN INCLUDE THEM. BUT SO I TALK TO PEOPLE, SIT HERE AND I JUST GO LIKE, OKAY. AND I'M JUST LIKE, I'M NOT WILLING TO COMPROMISE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN. AND I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE. BUT I WAS SCARED TO DO THAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO GET INFORMATION SO I CAN SO I CAN TRUST AND DO WHAT I REALLY BELIEVE IN. AND I CAN KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION CAN CARRY IT OUT. SO ANYTHING FROM YOU, DOCTOR FAYE. GOOD. ALRIGHT. 
          WE ARE, I CAN GO BACK TO MY CLOSED SESSION. RIGHT. MADAM CLERK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE. MR. 
          [I. Closed Session (Part 2 of 2)]
CHAIRMAN. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM. ONE B, WHICH IS CLOSED SESSION FOR DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF SUPERINTENDENTS APPRAISAL, CONTRACT RENEWAL, SLASH EXTENSION AND COMPENSATION AS ALLOWED BY TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.074551.071 AND 551.129. 
          NO VOTING WILL TAKE PLACE IN CLOSED SESSION. ANY ACTION THE BOARD WISHES TO TAKE AS A RESULT OF DISCUSSIONS IN CLOSED SESSION WILL TAKE PLACE AFTER THE BOARD RECONVENES IN THE OPEN MEETING. 
          THE TIME IS NOW 916. P M AND WE'RE IN CLOSED SESSION. GIVE EVERYBODY FIVE MINUTES TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND GRAB ANY
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.