Jul 08, 2025 Board Workshop

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IT IS NOW 9 A.M. ON TUESDAY, JULY 8TH, 2025. THIS WORKSHOP WITH MCLEAN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD OF TRUSTEES IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. THE FOLLOWING TRUSTEES ARE PRESENT AND PARTICIPATING. SUSAN JONES, VICE PRESIDENT BRENDA ADAMS, BOARD SECRETARY OLIVER MINTZ, BOARD MEMBER TINA CAPUTO, BOARD MEMBER. AND ME, BRANT WILLIAMS, PRESIDENT AND PRESIDING OFFICER.

ABSENT NOT PARTICIPATING IN THIS MEETING IS BOARD MEMBER MARVIN RAINWATER AND BOARD MEMBER RODNEY GILCHRIST. FOR THE RECORD, A QUORUM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED IN. AS PRESENT, A RECORD OF THIS MEETING IS BEING MADE AND WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AT A LATER DATE.

WE'RE ALSO STREAMING THIS MEETING ON OUR CABLE CHANNEL 17 AND ON THE DISTRICT'S WEB PAGE.

AS A REMINDER, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC FORUM MUST SUBMIT THEIR SIGN UP SHEET AT

[I. Public Forum]

PARENTS, EMPLOYEES AND CITIZENS ARE ENCOURAGED TO UTILIZE THE DISTRICT'S GRIEVANCE PROCESS TO THE FULLEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. RELATED POLICIES ARE AVAILABLE ON THE DISTRICT'S WEBSITE OR UPON REQUEST. FOR THE RECORD, WE ASK THAT ALL PUBLIC FORUM PARTICIPANTS BEGIN BY STATING THEIR NAME AND THE CITY IN WHICH THEY RESIDE. ONCE COMPLETE, YOUR THREE MINUTES WILL BEGIN. ALL RIGHT. FIRST WE HAVE JASON WHITE. JUST. SIR, IF YOU JUST COME TO THE MICROPHONE RIGHT THERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A BUTTON ON THERE. IF YOU PUSH THAT BUTTON, THAT LIGHT SHOULD TURN GREEN, WHICH MEANS IT IS A LIVE MIC AND WELCOME. IT MAY HAVE A SLIGHT DELAY IF YOU JUST PUSH THAT BUTTON. NOPE. JUST TAP IT. I'M GOING TO GO AUDIO VIDEO ON YOU. I'M GOING TO COME DOWN HERE AND HELP YOU. THERE YOU GO. THIS ONE. OKAY. JASON WHITE I'M FROM NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA. HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING TODAY? VERY GOOD. I'M ACTUALLY THE OWNER AND FOUNDER OF A TECH COMPANY THAT I'M COMING TO TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT. WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS NOW, AND WE HELP ORGANIZATIONS NATIONWIDE RAISE FUNDS FOR VARIOUS REASONS. ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, WE STUMBLED INTO HELPING SCHOOL DISTRICTS DEVELOP A NEW REVENUE SOURCE. SO WHAT I'M ABOUT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A THOUSAND QUESTIONS. I GOT THREE MINUTES.

SO WE'VE DEVELOPED A SOFTWARE THAT ALLOWS YOU, AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT TO SET UP YOUR OWN CUSTOMIZED, BASICALLY E-COMMERCE STORE. IMAGINE LIKE AN AMAZON.COM AND WHAT WE DO WITH THAT STOREFRONT FOR YOU GUYS IS LIKE YOUR SCHOOL SUPPLY KITS AND THINGS THAT YOU PROVIDE TO THE PARENTS. WE PUT THOSE ITEMS INTO YOUR STOREFRONT THROUGH YOUR CURRENT TEXT MESSAGING AND EMAIL SYSTEMS THAT YOU COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR PARENTS. YOU JUST PUT OUT A LITTLE LINK THAT TAKES THEM DIRECTLY INTO YOUR STORE TO DO ALL YOUR SHOPPING. HERE'S THE BIG TO DO ABOUT THE WHOLE THING IS WE'RE GIVING YOU GUYS 40% OF THE TOTAL REVENUE GENERATED BACK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS, AND SOME OF YOU GUYS, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN RETAIL OR IN THAT ARENA, THESE BIG E-COMMERCE STORES AND BIG BOX STORES ARE MAKING 70, 60% PROFIT MARGINS ON THOSE PRODUCTS. WE'RE PUTTING THAT PROFIT MARGIN BACK INTO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. YOU GUYS DON'T TOUCH A PRODUCT. EVERYTHING IS FULFILLED BY OUR FULFILLMENT CENTERS. YOU GUYS HAVE THE OPTION IF YOU DECIDE TO DO THIS, TO SET IT UP WHERE THE PRODUCTS CAN BE DELIVERED BY CLASS TO A SCHOOL, OR YOU CAN SET IT UP WHERE THE PARENTS CAN ACTUALLY HAVE IT DELIVERED TO THEIR HOUSES. EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT WE WORK WITH HAS DIFFERENT OPINIONS OF THAT. IT'S VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION, AND IT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS CAN TALK ABOUT INTERNALLY IF YOU WANT TO DO IT. LIKE I SAID, WE'VE RAISED WE'VE HELPED SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, RAISED OVER $6 MILLION FOR SPORTS TEAMS, BANDS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THROUGH A DIFFERENT VERSION OF OUR COMPANY, WHICH LED US DOWN THIS PATH. SO WE BASICALLY CUSTOMIZED OUR SOFTWARE NOW TO JUST HELP SCHOOLS INDEPENDENTLY MANAGE THEIR OWN SCHOOL, SUPPLY SALES, AND KEEP 40%. OF THE REVENUE

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[II. Information Items for Discussion]

WELCOME, MR. TADDER. MR. PRESIDENT, DOCTOR FAYE, BOARD MEMBERS, I APPRECIATE YOUR FLEXIBILITY TODAY AND ALLOWING ME TO WORK THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLY. AS IT WAS REQUESTED, WE REVIEWED PREVIOUSLY THE IMPACT OF THE TRS RATES AND DIFFERENT CONTRIBUTION STRATEGIES. AND IT WAS REQUESTED THAT WE LOOK AT HOW THAT IMPACTS THE HOURLY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE RATES. AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK THE HOURLY RATES FOR CUSTODIANS, BUS MONITORS, CROSSING GUARDS, SCHOOL NUTRITION'S, AIDES, RECEPTIONISTS, CLERKS, CUSTODIANS, ELECTRICIANS, SECRETARIES, PARALEGALS AND CUSTODIANS AND DEVELOPERS ON THEIR AVERAGE HOURS, WHICH IS IT WAS COMPLETED BASED OFF 7.5 HOURS PER DAY AND 183 AVERAGE WORKING DAYS PER CALENDAR YEAR OR CONTRACT YEAR. AS AS NOTED, INDIVIDUAL RESULTS WOULD VARY BASED OFF THEIR ACTUAL WORKING HOURS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WHAT WE FOUND IS THE AVERAGE IMPACT AT $30, AN INCREASE IN $30, EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION CHANGE WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL IMPACT OF 1.75 HOURS. SO BREAK THAT DOWN. IT TAKES ROUGHLY IF WE ROUND UP TWO HOURS MORE IN WHAT THE IMPACT FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES WOULD BE. SO THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE TWO HOURS OF PAY FOR VERSUS FOUR HOURS IF IT WERE $60. SO IT TAKES JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPENDING ON HOW MANY HOURS YOU WORK. SEE QUESTIONNAIRE. MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, MAY I HAVE A QUESTION? I KNOW KEEP GOING TO ADD. AND THIS IS THIS IS A CHALLENGE TO LOOK AT BECAUSE EVERY EVERYBODY'S PAY RATES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. AND SO WE KIND OF HAD TO NORMALIZE THIS AS BEST WE COULD. AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WHAT WE WORKED OUT. SO ON AVERAGE AN EMPLOYEE WITH THE INCREASED CONTRIBUTION AT $30 AND WE PRESENTED SEVERAL DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, WOULD SEE A COST OF $33 A MONTH, WHICH WOULD ON AVERAGE COST THEM 1.75 HOURS OF WORK. SO. REALLY QUICK. SO I SLEPT A LITTLE BIT. SINCE THE LAST MEETING, I HAVE NOT DONE A VERY GOOD JOB AT DETACHING FROM THINKING ABOUT THE DISTRICT, BUT I SLEPT A LITTLE BIT. BUT THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT HERE, AND I KNOW, AS I TAKE IT BACK TO LAYMAN TERMS, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON OUR HOURLY EMPLOYEES. ON THE INCREASE. YES, BASED ON INSURANCE, IF THE DISTRICT DIDN'T INCREASE OUR CONTRIBUTION, HOW WOULD IMPACT RIGHT THEIR THEIR CHECKS. AND THIS IS A REALLY COMPLICATED CHART IN HERE. AND SO BUT ALWAYS A GOOD THING FOR THE LAYMAN OUT THERE IS TO SAY WHAT DOES THIS GROUP HERE HAVE TO DO TO ENSURE THAT NO EMPLOYEE SEES A PAY DEDUCTION ON WHAT THEY TAKE HOME BASED ON THE INCREASE IN THE INSURANCE COST. SO IN THAT SCENARIO, IF THE DISTRICT CHOSE A $30 EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION, OKAY, THEN THE LOWEST PAID EMPLOYEES, ALL EMPLOYEES WOULD SEE A $33 ADDITIONAL CHARGE, ROUGHLY BASED ON WHICHEVER PLAN

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AND. WHILE I WISH EVERYBODY, EVERY EMPLOYER OUT THERE COULD INCREASE THEIR THEIR RATES 15%, YOU KNOW, OVER THEIR CURRENT EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION OR THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT TOUGH TO TAKE ON EVERY SINGLE YEAR. IT HAPPENS. SO WHAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF ON IS WHAT ARE SOME OF THE INCREMENTS THAT IF WE DID IT ON A STAGGERED BASIS OVER YEARS, TO KIND OF STAY WITH THE INFLATION TREND OF INSURANCE COST TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THAT COST? BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF EVERY YEAR WE CONSTANTLY RAISE THIS, SOMEONE'S NOT GOING TO GET A RAISE ONE YEAR AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL, WE SPENT IT ALL ON INSURANCE. AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT THAT FROM A STAGGERED APPROACH VERSUS A FULL INJECTION. EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN INCREASE IS THAT THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF A STANDARD APPROACH THAT WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, TO WHERE EVERYBODY HAS A LITTLE BIT OF BUY IN IN THAT WHILE I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT THAT IS JUST AN IMPORTANT THING, I THINK, FOR THIS GROUP TO HEAR BECAUSE SOME, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS UP HERE SAY WE MAY WANT TO VOTE ON TEN TOES IN ON SAYING, LET'S COVER ALL OF IT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT I JUST WANT THEM TO FOR THE TRUSTEES TO HEAR THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT. MADAM CAPITO. OKAY, CAN YOU CAN WE GET SOME TYPE OF A LOOK AT WHAT THAT STAGGERED APPROACH WOULD BE? I MEAN, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT YEAR AFTER YEAR SO THAT WE'RE NOT ALWAYS HAVING TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO AGAIN THIS YEAR? OR HOW IS THIS GOING TO IF WE CAN AT LEAST BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PREPARED, WOULD BE NICE. SO IF I GO HERE, YOU KNOW, IF AND THIS IS KIND OF JUST AN ANALYSIS HERE, IF YOU WILL, TO WALK WITH ME THROUGH THIS. SO THE CURRENT EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTIONS BEEN $400 FOR A LITTLE OVER FIVE YEARS. AND SO WHILE DURING THE SELF-FUNDING YEARS WE HAD ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT WERE USED, ESSER FUNDS THAT WERE USED TO SUPPLEMENT SOME OF THE OFFSETS AND INCREASES, WE DON'T HAVE ESSER FUNDS ANYMORE THAT WE CAN SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE $3 MILLION AND PUT IT OVER HERE SO THE EMPLOYEES DON'T FEEL ANY IMPACT IN HEALTH CARE COST, WHICH I THINK IT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO USE THOSE ESSER FUNDS

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WE ALWAYS WAIT UNTIL THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION ON LEGISLATIVE YEARS TO KIND OF BRING THIS, TO SEE HOW EVERYTHING PANS OUT. AND SO WHAT WE DID AND WORKED WITH STAFF ON WITH THESE ANALYSIS IS FOR TEN, FOR 25 FOR 30. WE EVEN RAN ONE AT THE FOUR FOR 63, I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS AND WHAT THAT IMPACT IS. YOU'LL SEE THAT THE EMPLOYER COST AT 425 GOES FROM 18 MILLION TO 18.8 MILLION, JUST UNDER 19 MILLION AT THE CURRENT ENROLLMENT OF 3700 EMPLOYEES.

OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE 6000 PLUS EMPLOYEES THAT ARE THAT ARE ELIGIBLE TO ENROLL. WE HAVE SEEN INCREASES IN THAT ENROLLMENT YEAR OVER YEAR. BUT WE ANTICIPATE THAT 3700 TO BE FAIRLY NORMALIZED AS OF RIGHT NOW. MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASES FOR OUR EMPLOYEES THAT TAKE OUR INSURANCE. SO WHETHER IT'S $10, WHETHER IT'S $63, I WANT TO IMPLORE US TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WHATEVER WE DO FOR THIS GROUP OF EMPLOYEES, WE ALSO DO FOR THE OTHER GROUP OF EMPLOYEES WHO DON'T TAKE OUR INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING INSURANCE SOMEWHERE ELSE, BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE A COST. IF WE'LL I'M GOING TO SAY, I'M GOING TO SAY I HAVE USE MYSELF AS AN EXAMPLE. IF I'M A TEACHER IN KISD AND I'M GOING TO TAKE INSURANCE UNDER MY HUSBAND OPPOSED TO TRS, HIS INSURANCE COSTS THEN GOES UP AS WELL BECAUSE HE'S TAKING THE FAMILY PLAN. AND SO BY US SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GIVE OUR EMPLOYEES AN INCREASE THAT TAKE OUR INSURANCE, BUT WE DON'T INCREASE THAT INSURANCE BENEFIT, AND I THINK IT'S 250 BUCKS THAT WE GIVE THEM. IT'S 200. YEAH. SO THAT'S THE CASH IN LIEU PROGRAM. SO IN SO IN REALITY KISD SAVES MONEY WHEN THOSE EMPLOYEES DECIDE NOT TO TAKE OUR INSURANCE, WE SAVE MONEY BECAUSE WE CAN SEE HERE IT'S COSTING US IN ANY OF THESE PLANS. IT'S COSTING US CLOSE TO $19 MILLION.

AND THAT'S JUST FOR THIS PROGRAM. CORRECT. SO IN THE PAST WE'VE BUMPED INSURANCE COST IN THIS PROGRAM, BUT WE DON'T WE DON'T BUMP COST OR INCREASE PAYMENTS TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT TAKE OUR INSURANCE, WHICH I THINK IS A VERY UNFAIR SITUATION. AND EVERYBODY CAN

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THAT'S KIND OF KIND OF SARCASTI, BECAUSE THOSE EMPLOYEES ARE SAVING US MONEY IN ESSENCE BY NOT TAKING OUR INSURANCE. SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO FOR THEM AS WELL? AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A QUESTION TO YOU, TAD. THAT'S A QUESTION TO MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS AND TO THE DISTRICT AS WE GO FORWARD LOOKING AT COMPENSATION FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, IF I MAY, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, THE ONE THING THAT HAS PREVENTED US IN THE PAST FROM RAISING THAT INCREMENTALLY WITH THAT, JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE AND YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, THIS IS THERE ARE SOME RULES THAT PROVIDE GUIDANCE AROUND THAT CASH IN LIEU PROGRAM THAT MAKE IT TO WHERE WE CAN'T JUST IT CAN'T BE AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BASICALLY SAY. IT BEGINS WITH CMS AROUND MEDICARE.

AND SO WE WALK A THIN LINE TO WHERE IF MEDICARE SEES US AS OVERLY COMPENSATING SOMEONE TO NOT TAKE THE EMPLOYER HEALTH PLAN, BUT TO GO ON MEDICARE, THEN WE CAN GET OUR HANDS SLAPPED. AND IN THAT SCENARIO. SO WE HAVE TO WALK A FINE LINE THERE, AND I CAN BRING BACK SOME GUIDANCE OR PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE FOR THEM TO EMAIL YOU ALL ON THAT WITH THAT AS WELL, FROM OUR ATTORNEY. SO TO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT CAP IS ON THAT VARIABLE LINE THAT WE HAVE TO WALK ON THAT THIN ROPE WE HAVE TO WALK ON. AND THEN TO THAT SAME FACT I WOULD COME BACK TO DOES IT MAKE SENSE THEN TO GIVE INSURANCE BENEFITS, OR DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE JUST TO GIVE A PAY RAISE? BECAUSE IF WE GIVE A PAY RAISE, IF WE GIVE EVERYBODY A $60 PAY RAISE IN THE DISTRICT, EVERYBODY GETS THE SAME, EVERYBODY GETS THE SAME. SO IF WE GIVE A $60 PAY RAISE, IN ESSENCE ON HEALTH INSURANCE, JUST TO THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE, NOT EVERYBODY GETS THE SAME. SO I DO LOOK FOR EQUITY IN PAY. WHEN I LOOK AT HOW WE STRUCTURE PAY SYSTEMS AND HOW WE STRUCTURE INSURANCE, BECAUSE I THINK EVERY EMPLOYEE WHO COMES TO WORK EVERY DAY AT KISD SHOULD BE TREATED FAIRLY. ON A FINANCIAL ASPECT OF THIS, I THINK THAT'S JUST REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. SO AGAIN, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DATA, PLEASE. MADAM SECRETARY. YES, YOU MENTIONED THE CASH IN LIEU PROGRAM. SO ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THAT YIELD. HOW MUCH IS THAT CASH IN LIEU PROGRAM FOR THE DISTRICT. NOT OKAY. NEVER MIND. I READ YOUR FACE. IT'S OKAY. IT'S A MATH THING, I GET IT, I'M DOING THE MATH IN MY HEAD. SO LET'S LET THE SUPERINTENDENT GO AHEAD. I THINK SHE KNOWS THAT NUMBER. NO PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC NUMBER, BUT WE HAVE CALLAN IN THE AUDIENCE, AND I BELIEVE SHE CAN PROBABLY GIVE US THE BALLPARK FIGURE. CALLAN I'M GOING TO ESTIMATE AROUND. YEAH. JUST ONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM TRUSTEES, MR. MINTZ? MR. PETERS? OH, THERE WE GO. NO. I'M GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

JUST AS A JUST TO KIND OF HELP ME UNDERSTAND THINGS A LITTLE BETTER IF WE ADD MORE PEOPLE TO OUR POOL, DOES THAT NOT DRIVE COSTS DOWN BY SPREADING RISK? NOT NOT IN THE CURRENT ARRANGEMENT. SO. AND THAT'S ALWAYS KIND OF A MISNOMER THAT MORE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE BETTER. YOU KNOW, IF YOU ADD IF YOU ADD THE POOL, THAT'S SICK, THEN YOU'VE JUST ADDED A WHOLE BUNCH OF SICK PEOPLE TO THE POOL. RIGHT? AND SO MAKING A BIGGER POOL DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE IT A BETTER POOL. AND WITH HEALTH INSURANCE AND WITH THIS CURRENT ARRANGEMENT WITH TRES, TRES SETS, THE RATES NOW THEIR POOL IS EVER GROWING RIGHT NOW. AND THEY'RE SPREADING THAT RISK AROUND VERY WELL. AND I REALLY COMMEND THEM ON THEIR OPERATIONS OF A HEALTH PLAN. YOU KNOW, I GET TO I GET TO WORK WITH A LOT OF HEALTH PLANS AND AROUND THE, THE STATE AND COUNTRY AND THEIR OPERATIONAL COSTS FOR THIS HEALTH PLAN AND ALL OF THE METRICS THAT THEY POOL IN HERE TO MAKE IT A HIGHLY FUNCTIONING HEALTH PLAN ARE VERY, VERY GOOD. AND SO ADDING MORE PEOPLE AT KIDS LEVEL TO TRES DOES NOT LOWER THE TRES RATE. OKAY. I'LL JUST HOLD MY COMMENTS. BACK TO YOU, MR. NOAH. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION, JUST THE DIFFERENT EMPLOYER

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THAT'S ALL I HAVE TODAY AS A TAKEAWAY. I'M GOING TO PROVIDE THOSE GUIDELINES TO STAFF TO GET OUT TO YOU ALL THIS WEEK. AND THEN THE FOR THE CASH IN LIEU PROGRAM. MR. MINTZ, JUST I GUESS NOT REALLY FOR YOU, MR. DOYLE, BUT JUST I THINK GENERAL TO I'M NOT I THINK I HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT OPINION THAN MISS JONES DOES. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M TOTALLY, TOTALLY IN OPPOSITION TO THAT, BUT I, I GUESS AS I, WHAT I WOULD JUST SAY TO THE STAFF IS LET'S LOOK AT SOME OPTIONS ABOUT HOW WE REIMBURSE FOR THIS, THE NOTION THAT WE SOMEHOW HAVE A ETHICAL OR FINANCIAL DUTY TO PAY PEOPLE WHO DON'T TAKE OUR HEALTH PLAN. LIKE IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT IN ANY OTHER CONTEXT, LIKE WHAT OTHER EMPLOYERS LIKE, WELL, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU MORE MONEY BECAUSE YOU WENT AND GOT YOUR HEALTH CARE SOMEWHERE ELSE. I'M NOT SURE. I HAVEN'T FULLY FORMED MY THOUGHT ON IT, BUT I WOULD. I THINK WHAT I WOULD JUST ASK THE STAFF IS LET'S LOOK AT SOME OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL. I ALSO FUNDAMENTALLY THINK THAT WE SHOULD, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR HOURLY EMPLOYEES. AND I THINK THE GENESIS FOR THIS DISCUSSION IS CORRECT. LET'S LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. I'VE ALWAYS YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES, PERHAPS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PAY RAISES, A SCALED PAY RAISE, A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THOSE WHO MAKE THE LEAST IF WE CAN, WHICH IS OUR HOURLY EMPLOYEES, AS WE DISCUSSED TODAY, LET'S I THINK I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OPTIONS ABOUT HOW TO HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. I AGREE WITH MR. MINTZ ON THAT STATEMENT. CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE CASH AND LOOP PROGRAM? I THINK THAT IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO REITERATE THAT AN EMPLOYEE CANNOT GO OUT AND BUY THEIR OWN HEALTH INSURANCE AND GET THE CASH AND LIVE. THEY MUST HAVE OTHER CREDIBLE COVERAGE VIA, FOR EXAMPLE, IN OUR AREA, A, YOU KNOW, A MILITARY FAMILY THAT IS ON TRICARE, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO TAKE THAT BENEFIT. MAYBE IT'S A POSTAL WORKER AND THEIR SPOUSE AND THEY HAVE A FEDERAL PROGRAM LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHERE WE SEE THE MOST DECLINE. AND I WILL SAY TO YOUR POINT, MR. MINTZ, I ONLY HAVE THREE EMPLOYERS THAT DO THIS FROM A CASH AND LOOP BENEFIT. IT IS NOT A POPULAR BENEFIT BECAUSE OF THE GUIDELINES AND THE RED TAPE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BECAUSE YOU YOU CAN REALLY GET IN TROUBLE WITH CMS AND YOU GET THESE LETTERS FROM MEDICARE. AND IF MEDICARE HAS YOU UNDER A, A, A REVIEW THAT THAT NO FEDERAL DOLLARS FLOW UNTIL THAT MEDICARE DEAL IS TAKEN CARE OF. I DEAL WITH THAT WITH OTHER EMPLOYERS LOCALLY ALL THE TIME. AND SO THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I MENTIONED THAT CMS GUIDELINE ON ON THE CASH IN LIEU PROGRAM.

MOST EMPLOYERS SAY THIS IS OUR BENEFITS. THIS IS WHAT WE DO. AND Y'ALL ARE VERY GENEROUS IN PROVIDING THIS PROGRAM. SO I, I COMMEND YOU ALL FOR THE PROGRAM AND COMMITMENT TO THE PROGRAM. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY WITHIN GUIDANCE, AS I KNOW YOU DO. MISS JONES. IS IT IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THE BOARD OF COURSE NOT AN ACTION ITEM, BUT JUST SO WE CAN GIVE DOCTOR FAYE AND HER TEAM SOME GOOD DIRECTION? DO WE EVEN WANT TO GO DOWN THE ROAD OF LOOKING AT THE PROS AND CONS OF, YOU KNOW, THAT PROGRAM AND ITS CONTINUATION? MR. MINTZ, I'M NOT AGAINST I'M NOT AGAINST THE PROGRAM. I'M JUST I THINK FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW ME, LIKE, I JUST KIND OF LIKE, LET'S JUST HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. AND I WOULD CERTAINLY AT THIS POINT NOT BE IN FAVOR OF INCREASING IT, BUT I'M NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF CUTTING IT IF WE'RE MANAGING IT, IT'S A NICE BENEFIT THAT WE CAN GIVE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS IT AS IF IT'S SOME MORAL IMPERATIVE THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE. THANK YOU, DOCTOR FAYE. SO I'M I'M HEARING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. AND SO AND I APPRECIATE THE DIALOG. AND SO FIRST THING IS LOOKING TO BRING BACK OVERARCHING DIFFERENT OPTIONS OR OPTIONS TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT CASH IN LIEU. KEEPING IN MIND WE HAVE ONE BOARD MEMBER WHO WHO BELIEVES THAT WE SHOULD CONTRIBUTE MORE IF WE'RE CONTRIBUTING MORE TO HEALTH CARE ON ONE SIDE AND ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER, INDICATING THAT WE JUST WANT TO OPEN UP THE CONVERSATION FOR HOW ELSE COULD WE LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS? SO CORRECT. THANK YOU. WELL, SO WE CAN TRY TO SAVE TIME. AND JOEY MOORE, WHO'S OUR BOARD COUNSEL,

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AND SO WHEN THEIR EMPLOYER DOLLARS, IT CREATES AN ADVERSE SELECTION IN MEDICARE'S EYES THAT, HEY, YOU'RE PUSHING THEM TO MEDICARE. SHAME ON YOU. YOU HAVE TO SHARE THIS COST WITH US, TOO. AND SO THERE'S SOME CAREFUL GUIDANCE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THERE. MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. SO, MR. DARROW, AT WHAT AGE CAN PEOPLE GO ON MEDICARE 65? OKAY, SO HOW MANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE 65 PUSHING THEM INTO MEDICARE? THAT'S THE WHOLE KEY. THERE IS MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES. I MEAN, 65, THAT'S I MEAN, YES, WE WOULD SAY THAT MANY EMPLOYEES ARE PROBABLY NOT WORKING AT 65, BUT I WOULD SAY BASED OFF TRENDS IN TODAY'S WORKFORCE, IT'S PEOPLE ARE WORKING TO 70 AND 75 A LOT MORE THAN THEY USED TO. I CAN'T SAY WHAT THE AVERAGE AGE IS RIGHT NOW OF, OF TENURE OVER THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF MR. BAKER HAS THAT READILY AVAILABLE. PROBABLY NOT. BUT I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE SOME WE DO HAVE SOME AGING WORKFORCE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT TO HOLD THE PREMISE THAT EVERY EMPLOYEE WHO DOESN'T TAKE OUR OR THE EMPLOYEES WHO DON'T TAKE OUR INSURANCE IS GOING TO BE PUSHED TO MEDICARE IS NOT A FAIR. IT'S NOT. IT DOESN'T ENCOMPASS ALL OF THOSE EMPLOYEES. IT ONLY ENCOMPASSES A LITTLE HANDFUL OF THOSE EMPLOYEES. SOMEBODY LIKE ME, PERHAPS. RIGHT. BUT 65, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE 25 YEAR OLD BUS DRIVER. SO, JOEY, YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME FROM THE AUDIENCE IF YOU THINK WE'RE OFFLINE, CORRECT? YES, I WILL, OKAY. I THINK YOU'RE STILL GETTING THE INFORMATION. OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE I WILL ADD.

THAT WE ARE HEADED INTO OPEN ENROLLMENT. TRS PROVIDES US A SHORT WINDOW OF OPEN ENROLLMENT TIMELINE. AND IF WE GO DOWN THIS PATH, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT AMENDING FROM A CONSULTING STANDPOINT, AMENDING LATER IN THE YEAR FOR CASH IN LIEU VERSUS AT OPEN ENROLLMENT.

IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT, BECAUSE SPEAKING SELFISHLY FOR STAFF, THEY THEY'RE ANXIOUSLY AWAITING THESE DECISIONS SO THAT THEY CAN COMPLETE ALL OF THE SOFTWARE UPGRADES AND UPDATES THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO START GETTING STAFF ENROLLED BEFORE AUGUST 15TH. SO, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, MADAM SECRETARY, I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION, BUT AS IN THE PAST, I DON'T LIKE MAKING MIDNIGHT DECISIONS THAT WILL IMPACT PEOPLE RIGHT NOW. SO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT WE WOULD AMEND IT LATER IN THE YEAR. I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY DO AWAY WITH CASH IN LIEU TODAY, BUT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF INCREASING IT EITHER. SO BECAUSE NINE MIL IS STILL NINE MIL, AND SO I THINK I JUST NEED MORE TIME TO MAKE A BETTER DECISION. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS WITH ME, I TEND TO SAY, LET'S WAIT AND MAKE THAT DECISION LATER IF WE CAN. SO BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID, I WOULD I

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BUT WE JUST NEED TO KNOW FOR THE SAKE OF EFFICIENCY FOR DOCTOR FAYE AND HER TEAM. AND SO THERE'S AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT THERE WHO'S KIND OF SAID, YOU KNOW, MADAM SECRETARY IS LIKE, NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER TWO INDIVIDUALS ON THAT END, WHAT THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS IS.

I'M OKAY AT THE $9 MILLION POINT THAT WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. SO THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A TWO WEEK ANALYSIS. THIS IS COMING BACK AND SAYING WE CAN GO TO 210, OR WE CAN GO TO 225, OR WE CAN GO TO 230. IT'S AS SIMPLE ANALYSIS. IT'S NOT EVEN AN ANALYSIS. IT'S A NUMBER. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. AND THEN HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO WE HAVE THAT AREN'T TAKING OUR INSURANCE. IF IT'S 3000, IT'S 3000 TIMES 25 BUCKS. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE UP A WHOLE LOT OF TIME TO COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. THANK YOU. WHILE I CAN AGREE WITH THAT, BUT IF THERE IS A CLEAR CONSENSUS THAT WE ARE OKAY WITH WHERE WE CURRENTLY STAND. BUT THAT COULD BE AN INFORMATION PIECE, I'D PROBABLY LOOK AT MR. BAKER TO. I MEAN, WHAT'S THE CONSENSUS? EXCUSE ME. WE HAVE A COUPLE THAT SAY IT, BUT WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE MISSING. AGAIN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW THE NUMBER. I CAN GET YOU. THE NUMBER? YEAH, I THINK, TAD, IF YOU WOULD TALK ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY PIECE IN THE IRS, PLEASE. SO THE BIGGEST REASON THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION INCREASES IS EACH YEAR THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT SETS A NEW MEASUREMENT FOR AFFORDABILITY. AND SO AS WE APPROACH 13, 14, $15 AN HOUR AT FOUR 5500, OUR AFFORDABILITY PIECE GET GETS OUT OF WHACK ROUGHLY FOR EASY MATH, TYPICALLY AFFORDABILITY IS BASED OFF THE HOURLY THE LOWEST HOURLY RATE. AND SO IF WE GO WITH THAT 1194 RATE, YOU KNOW, $1.20 TIMES, HOWEVER MANY HOURS 15, 60 A YEAR, THAT'S THE MOST THAT AN EMPLOYEE CAN SPEND ON INSURANCE. SO IF WE DON'T MAKE AN INCREASE THIS YEAR AND WE DON'T PLAN FOR SCHEDULED INCREASES OVER TIME, SMALL SNIPPETS TO MATCH THAT, THEN THOSE LOWEST HOURLY RATES GET EATEN UP. AND I THINK WHAT MR. BAKER IS SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, STAFF ALWAYS WANTS TO GIVE PAY. OKAY. WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION MULTIPLE TIMES. I'D MUCH RATHER GIVE PAY THAN INCREASE BENEFITS. AND SO I THINK THE FINE LINE THAT STAFF IS, IS REALLY THREADING THE NEEDLE WITH, IF I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN HERE IS HOW DO WE MATCH THAT AFFORDABILITY EACH YEAR WITH ALSO RAISING WAGES AND MAKING SURE IT DOESN'T GET EATEN UP. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED WITH THE 25 OR 30. BECAUSE IF THEY'RE I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT INCREASES IN PAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND UNFORTUNATELY I HAD A TIME CRUNCH TODAY THAT I SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE END OF THIS AFTER SOME OF THE HOURLY WAGE DISCUSSIONS. AND SO I APOLOGIZE. BUT I THINK WHEN YOU HEAR ALL OF THAT, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE.

LIKE WE WANT TO RAISE SOME WAGES. AND IN DOING SO THAT EATS UP A LITTLE BIT MORE BUDGET. AND IF WE IF WE GO DOWN THE PATH OF YES, WE'RE ONLY INCREASING THE CASH IN LIEU BY 10%. WELL, THAT'S ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS. AND EVERY PENNY REALLY COUNTS WHEN WE'RE ADDING DOLLARS TO, TO THIS. AND SO THAT'S WHERE STAFF IS, I THINK REALLY TRYING TO FIND THE HAPPY MEDIUM THERE AND THE LEVEL. AND FORTUNATELY CASH AND LIEU IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THAT CAN BE AMENDED LATER ON. AND WE CAN DO DIFFERENT BENEFIT STUDIES. YOU KNOW, IT'S A POPULAR BENEFIT, BUT IT'S ALSO AN UNPOPULAR BENEFIT BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM TO BE. OUT OF OUT OF SYNC. YOU KNOW, WHEN INSURANCE COSTS $200 A MONTH, IT WAS OKAY. RIGHT. BUT NOW INSURANCE IS COSTING 450 TO $500 A MONTH. SO

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AND THEN WE SET UP SOMETHING LIKE THAT, PERHAPS WHERE THAT MONEY WOULD GO IN THERE, AND EMPLOYEES CAN USE IT ONLY FOR HEALTH CARE COSTS. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF OPTIONS IN REGARDS TO THAT, TO TAKING CARE OF ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES. AND SO I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE THAT WE ELIMINATE IT, BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM OUR EMPLOYEES. IF IT WERE ME, I WOULD PROPOSE A PAY RAISE FOR EVERYBODY, BECAUSE TO ME, A PAY RAISE IS GUARANTEED. BENEFITS ARE NOT GUARANTEED. SO TWO YEARS FROM NOW, THREE YEARS FROM NOW, WE COULD FIND OURSELVES SHORT OF FUNDS AND WE COULD START ELIMINATING BENEFITS BECAUSE WE CAN DO THAT, BUT WE CAN'T DECREASE PAY. SO IF I'M LOOKING AT SECURITY, I'D BE LOOKING AT PAY INCREASES, NOT BENEFITS. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE DIMINISHING RETURN ON OUR EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE LITTLE INCOME, AND HOW THAT $30 INCREASE IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT TO THEM. I DO GET THAT, AND I CERTAINLY WANT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION TO THEM OR FOR THEM, BUT I JUST THINK THERE ARE OPTIONS. THE OTHER THING THAT COMES INTO MIND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEALTH CARE RIGHT HERE TODAY IS WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT A HEALTH CARE

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BUT IT DOES CLOSE LATER THIS MONTH. IF IT DOESN'T, IF IT'S NOT EXTENDED FOR ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE HEALTH CARE PACKAGE. YES. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM TRUSTEES? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. DORA. WE'RE NOW GOING TO GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM TWO A, WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF THE RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING THE EXTRACURRICULAR STATUS OF THE BELL COUNTY, TEXAS, FOUR-H ORGANIZATION AND THE ADJUNCT FACULTY AGREEMENT FOR THE 2025 2026 SCHOOL YEAR. DOCTOR JEANETTE CREIGHTON, WELCOME. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. WE'RE HERE, PATRICE ROBINSON, WHO'S THE DIRECTOR OF CTE. AND THEN WHEN IT'S TIME FOR US TO DO THE ONE FOR TELEHEALTH AND CENTRAL COUNTY SERVICES, SHANNON LAMAR WILL ALSO ASSIST.

BUT OUR FIRST ONE IS TO CONTINUE THE ANNUAL RENEWAL OF THE MOU BETWEEN BELL COUNTY, TEXAS FOUR-H AND KILLEEN ISD TO RECOGNIZE THE EXTRACURRICULAR STATUS OF BELL COUNTY, FOUR-H, WHICH ALLOWS OUR KISD STUDENTS TO PARTICIPATE. SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY PARTICIPATE IN AS A MEMBER OF FOUR-H INCLUDE ANIMAL SCIENCE, WHERE THEY WORK ON LIVESTOCK, SWINE, DAIRY, POULTRY, RABBITS, GOATS, AND HORSES. SOME WORK ON HEALTHY LIVING AND FOOD SCIENCE, AND THEN SOME WORK ON ARTS AND CONSUMER SCIENCES. JUST AS EXAMPLES. SO WE'VE HAD THIS PARTNERSHIP FOR SEVERAL YEARS. ANNUALLY WE COME BACK TO RENEW THE MOU, AND WE'RE ASKING THAT WE PLACE IT ON THE NEXT CONSENT AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN APPROVE THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING BELL COUNTY, TEXAS FOUR-H, AS AN EXTRACURRICULAR ENTITY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH KILLEEN ISD. QUESTIONS FROM TRUSTEES. ALL RIGHT. EVERYONE'S OKAY GOING TO THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THIS ITEM. UNLESS MR. RAINWATER OR MR. GILCHRIST ASKED FOR A BRIEFING ON IT. WITH THAT NOT BEING THE CASE, IT WILL BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT WILL BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT THAT MAY GET IT PULLED OFF. SO OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO AGENDA ITEM B, WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF REMOTE HOMEBOUND INSTRUCTOR WAIVER REQUEST FOR THE 2025 2026 SCHOOL YEAR. SAYS DOCTOR OSBORNE ON HERE. BUT THAT IS DOCTOR LARSON. OKAY. WELCOME. GOOD MORNING. I AM PRESENTING THE REMOTE HOMEBOUND INSTRUCTION WAIVER REQUEST FOR THE 2526 SCHOOL YEAR. WHAT THIS DOES, AND WE'RE ASKING THIS TO BE PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING, IS THIS ALLOWS OUR SUPERINTENDENT TO APPROVE AND SUBMIT ALL RELATED WAIVER REQUESTS FOR HOMEBOUND STUDENTS WHO OR WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GO INTO THE HOME DUE TO SEVERE ILLNESS. AND THIS IS ONLY ABOUT 1 TO 2 STUDENTS A YEAR. AGAIN, THAT DEPENDS ON HOW STUDENTS HEALTH IS, BUT WHAT THIS ALLOWS US TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT OUR STUDENTS ARE STILL GETTING THEIR EDUCATION WHILE THEY ARE SAFE AND THEIR HEALTH IS TAKEN CARE OF. QUESTIONS FROM TRUSTEES. THERE, MR. MINTZ ONE ONE QUESTION. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALLOWING THEM TO RECEIVE INSTRUCTION VIRTUALLY AS OPPOSED TO IN PERSON. IS THERE ANY REASON, I MEAN, ISN'T IN-PERSON BETTER? IN-PERSON IS BETTER.

HOWEVER, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR STUDENTS WHO ARE HOMEBOUND, WHETHER THAT IS SPECIAL EDUCATION OR A 504 STUDENT IS HOMEBOUND DUE TO A SPECIFIC ILLNESS, THAT IF SOMEONE COMES INTO THEIR HOME AND WOULD HAPPEN TO BRING GERMS INTO THE HOME, IT COULD CAUSE SEVERE HEALTH ISSUES OR EVEN POSSIBLY DO MORE HARM. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM TRUSTEES? IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, THIS WILL ALSO BE PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WELL.

EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THAT. THANK YOU DOCTOR. THANK YOU SIR. WE'LL MOVE TO C WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH CENTRAL COUNTY SERVICES FOR THE 2025 2026 SCHOOL YEAR,

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EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THAT. THANK YOU, DOCTOR CREIGHTON. ONE MORE. GOTCHA. YEP. OKAY, I BELIEVE YOU. I SEE IT RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM D DISCUSSION OF MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY HEALTH SCIENCE CENTER COLLEGE OF MEDICINE TO PROVIDE PEDIATRIC AND ADOLESCENT BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES VIA TELEHEALTH. YES, DOCTOR.

CREIGHTON. THIS IS ALSO AN ANNUAL RENEWAL OF THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN US AND TEXAS A&M. THIS IS FUNDED THROUGH THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND IT'S DESIGNED TO INCREASE ACCESS TO MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES FOR STUDENTS THROUGH TELEHEALTH. THE PROGRAM ADDRESSES BARRIERS TO TIER TWO. TIER THREE MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORTS BY OFFERING TIMELY, NO COST SERVICES TO STUDENTS AND FAMILIES WHO MAY NOT OTHERWISE HAVE ACCESS. SO WE ARE ASKING TO PLACE THIS ON THE NEXT CONSENT AGENDA TO APPROVE THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN KILLEEN ISD AND TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY HEALTH SCIENCE CENTER COLLEGE OF MEDICINE TO PROVIDE TELEHEALTH SERVICES TO STUDENTS. QUESTIONS OF TRUSTEES FOR DOCTOR CREIGHTON. MR. MINTZ, ONE QUESTION TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON ARTICLE 17. IT TALKS ABOUT THE OPTION TO HAVE IT TO BUY INSURANCE OR SELF-INSURE HOW HOW ARE THEY CURRENTLY DOING THAT? AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, I WILL TAKE NO OFFENSE, BUT IF WE COULD JUST GET THAT ANSWERED, OKAY, I CAN GET THAT ANSWER FOR YOU. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE COST TO STUDENTS AND FAMILY, IT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS THE. IN ARTICLE 17, IT REQUIRES THAT TMSC HAS AN OPTION TO EITHER BUY INSURANCE OR SELF-INSURE. OKAY, SO I JUST IF YOU COULD JUST FIND OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, THE CONCEPT OF THEM JUST DECIDING TO SELF-INSURE MAKES ME MILDLY NERVOUS. IF WE COULD JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS. THIS WILL BE PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WELL.

EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THAT. AND, MISS LAMAR, YOU'RE TRACKING THAT QUESTION FOR MR. MINTZ. YOU CAN YOU OKAY GETTING THAT VIA EMAIL? PERFECT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ARTICLE 17 OF THE CONTRACT THAT I'M REFERENCING. MADAM SUPERINTENDENT, CAN WE GET THAT IN FRIDAY NIGHTS THAT GO OUT THROUGH DOCTOR OSBORNE? THAT WAY EVERYBODY GETS IT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO. E WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF SENATE BILL 401 OF THE 89TH TEXAS LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND THE PROPOSED REVISION OF BOARD POLICY FM LOCAL TO DECLINE PARTICIPATION OF NON ENROLLED HOME SCHOOL STUDENTS IN EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES AT KILLEEN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT CAMPUSES, INCLUDING ACTIVITIES GOVERNED BY THE UNIVERSITY INTERSCHOLASTIC LEAGUE. DOCTOR BUCKLEY. HELLO, EVERYBODY. WE WANTED TO BRING THIS BEFORE YOU FOR DISCUSSION ON SENATE BILL 401. CLICKER HERE. THE LEGISLATURE AND THE SENATE PASSED THIS BILL THIS LAST SESSION THAT ALLOWS HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN U.I.L EVENTS IN PUBLIC SCHOOL. IT'S AN EXPANSION OF PREVIOUS THE. YOU MIGHT HAVE REMEMBERED THE TIM TEBOW BILL WAY BACK IN 2015, I BELIEVE. AND THEN AGAIN, I THINK IN 18 OR 21, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

IT'S 23. IT BUILDS ON THAT BILL THAT WOULD ALLOW IT. NOW THE SWITCHES, THEY'RE SAYING IT IS AUTOMATIC UNLESS THE SCHOOL BOARD VOTES AGAINST IT. THAT'S THE NEW CLAUSE. IF YOU DO NOT

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IT'S NOT A LOT OF CLARITY THERE. IT JUST SAYS AFTER SIX WEEKS THEY MUST FOLLOW THE UIL EXPECTATIONS FOR ALL U.I.L. SO PREVIOUS ATHLETIC PARTICIPATION YOU CAN'T TRANSFER. YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T DO THOSE THINGS AND YOU CANNOT PARTICIPATE IF ENROLLED IN PUBLIC SCHOOL EARLIER THAT YEAR. SO THEY CAN'T MAKE THE TEAM THEN DECIDE TO BE HOMESCHOOLED. WE SURVEYED WE PUT A SURVEY OUT, MAKE THAT STATEMENT ONE MORE TIME FOR ME THAT YOU JUST SAID YOU, IF YOU WERE IN SCHOOL THIS THIS COMING YEAR AND MAKE THE TEAM AND THEN DECIDE I WANT TO BE HOMESCHOOLED BUT STILL PLAY FOOTBALL, YOU CAN'T DO IT. YOU HAVE TO. YOU CAN'T BE ENROLLED AND THEN STOP THAT YEAR. SO WHAT? AND I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOUR YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT THAT WAS A KEY. SO HOW LONG WOULD YOU HAVE TO BE IN HOMESCHOOL IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE? YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE COMPLETED THE PREVIOUS YEAR IN HOMESCHOOL. OR COULD YOU HAVE ALL. ALL IT SAYS IS CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN ENROLLED IN PUBLIC SCHOOL EARLIER THAT YEAR.

SO I WOULD ASSUME ACADEMIC YEAR OR CALENDAR YEAR ACADEMIC YEAR. OKAY. SO I WOULD ASSUME RIGHT NOW IF STUDENTS AREN'T ENROLLED FOR THIS NEXT YEAR, THEN THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE IF THEY WERE HOMESCHOOLED. BUT IF THEY ARE ENROLLED IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, YOU CAN'T JUST QUIT AND GO TO HOMESCHOOL. YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAIT OUT A YEAR. SO IF I'M A STUDENT AND I'M CURRENTLY ENROLLED IN KSD, LEGISLATURE APPROVES THIS LAW THAT SAYS, HEY, WE'RE AUTOMATICALLY IN. AND I SAY, I WANT TO, I WANT TO HOMESCHOOL. I DON'T LIKE DURING THE SUMMER. ARE THEY WOULD THEY BE ELIGIBLE OR NOT ELIGIBLE IF THEY I THINK THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE. SO THEY WOULD. THEY COULD BECAUSE THE SCHOOL YEAR HASN'T STARTED, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY THEY'RE ENROLLED FOR THE FOLLOWING SCHOOL YEAR ALREADY. THEY COULD THEY COULD GO THAT ROUTE. WE WOULD NEED WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED CLARITY ON THAT. AGAIN, THIS IS BRAND NEW AND THIS IS ALL IT SAYS. OKAY, CANNOT PARTICIPATE IF ENROLLED IN PUBLIC SCHOOL. EARLIER THAT YEAR. SO I'M SORRY, I MEANT OPEN THE FLOODGATES. OKAY. MADAM SECRETARY, THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION. YES, MA'AM. DO WE HAVE ANY NUMBERS OF HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS WHO WERE PARTICIPATING TO GAUGE IT OR. WE DON'T BECAUSE WE HAVE NEVER ALLOWED IT. OKAY. IN THE PAST, THE BOARD HAD HAD TO VOTE TO ALLOW IT. NOW YOU HAVE TO VOTE TO NOT ALLOW IT. SO WE NEVER BROUGHT IT FORWARD. FORWARD FOR YOU. OKAY. BUT WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A DECISION IF WE DON'T IF THE BOARD DOESN'T MAKE A DECISION BY SEPTEMBER 1ST, THEN IT'S AUTOMATIC. WE TALK TO OUR HEAD ATHLETIC COORDINATORS AT THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS, AND OVERWHELMINGLY THEY WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING THIS. THESE ARE SOME OF THE THIS WAS THEIR WORDS, NOT MINE. THIS IS WHAT THEY THEY PUT BACK. IT'S INCREASED ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN. WITHOUT ADDITIONAL FUNDING OR STAFFING THERE IS ADDITIONAL FUNDING. YOU GET $1,500 PER COURSE IF THEY IF THEY PLAY A SPORT OR THEATER OR WHATEVER, YOU DO GET $1,500. BUT THERE IS THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR STAFFING, THERE'S NO ACADEMIC OVERSIGHT EXCEPT FOR PARENT VERIFIED GRADES. THERE IS A WORRY ABOUT DISCIPLINE ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGES. WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE AN ATHLETE AND YOU'RE NOT AT SCHOOL. I MEAN, THERE'S NOT ES THERE'S NONE OF THAT. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE UNFAIR COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE PRACTICE EXTRA LONGER. YOU KNOW, THEIR HOMESCHOOL, THEY CAN DO WEIGHTS AT HOME OR WHATEVER.

LIMITED RESOURCE COACHING FACILITIES, TIME RISK OF RECRUITING ABUSES FOR NEARBY DISTRICTS. IF WE DON'T DO IT, LOSS OF STUDENT IDENTITY AND SCHOOL CULTURE THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY PART OF THE SCHOOL. THEY'RE JUST PART OF THAT TEAM, BUT NOT THE ACTUAL SCHOOL EROSION OF SCHOOL CULTURE AND COMMUNITY IDENTITY. AND WE'RE HEARING THAT SURROUNDING DISTRICTS ARE ALSO OPTING OUT. WE DO KNOW THAT SALADO ISD HAS PARTICIPATED IN THIS SINCE ITS

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MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. SO I'M KIND OF TORN ON THIS SUBJECT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. AND I AND I, I BELIEVE PARENTS SHOULD HAVE CHOICES IN THEIR CHILDREN'S EDUCATION. I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT WE BUT I COME BACK TO OUR MISSION AS A PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND THAT'S TO EDUCATE CHILDREN AND EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES ARE NOT THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THIS DISTRICT. THIS DISTRICT IS TO EDUCATE CHILDREN ACADEMICALLY. THE CURRICULAR ACTIVITY PIECE IS THE FROSTING ON THE CAKE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY HAVE TO FOCUS ON IN MY OPINION. SO AND THE WE'VE ARGUED IN THE PAST THAT THE CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES PROVIDE THE CHILDREN MOTIVATION TO COME TO SCHOOL, TO BEHAVE, TO WORK HARD SO THEY CAN BE ON THAT TEAM AND HAVE THE ACADEMIC GRADES. AND. ET CETERA, ET CETERA. WE USE THAT AS THE FROSTING ON THE CAKE. WHEN PARENTS CHOOSE TO HOMESCHOOL THEIR CHILDREN, THEY PULLED THEM OUT OF OUR ACADEMIC SYSTEM, BUT NOW THEY WANT TO COME IN FOR THE FROSTING ON THE CAKE. SO I'M TORN ON THIS. I'M TRULY, TRULY TORN ON THIS. AND THEN PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD AND IN THIS DISTRICT UNDERSTAND HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE ACADEMICS AND HOW I FEEL ABOUT SPORTS. THEY CAN COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER, BUT THEY ARE NOT. SPORTS IS NOT ULTIMATELY THE GOAL OF WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO. IT'S TO EDUCATE CHILDREN. AND SO I WILL ALWAYS COME BACK TO THAT. SO BACK TO MR. MINTZ'S STATEMENT ABOUT TAXPAYERS. YES, I AGREE TAXPAYERS, THEY'RE ALL TAXPAYERS IDEALLY IN OUR SYSTEM. BUT UNDER THIS VOUCHER PROGRAM, ARE THESE HOMESCHOOLED CHILDREN GOING TO BE GETTING TAX DOLLARS THROUGH THE STATE TO HOMESCHOOL THEIR CHILDREN? SO IS THERE A BALANCE THERE? I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T STUDIED THAT ENOUGH, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT IF THEY'RE TAKING $10,000 HOME EVERY YEAR, THIS IS NOT FOR THE VOUCHER PROGRAM FOR PUBLIC, THAT'S FOR PRIVATE TO GO TO A PUBLIC SCHOOL. THIS IS FOR HOMESCHOOL. OKAY. SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT FINANCIAL BURDEN WOULD BE OR WHAT THEIR COMPENSATION IS GOING TO BE. I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE THEY GET ANY COMPENSATION. OKAY. AND THEN. AS I SAID ACADEMICS IS MY

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YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. SO FIRST I CAN SAY POINTS ONE THROUGH NINE. YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH. I'M 100% ALIGNED WITH OLIVER MINTZ. HE GETS TO GO FIRST. SO HE GETS TO. AND THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE IS I'M INTERESTED IN HOW MANY HOMESCHOOL KIDS ARE IN OUR DISTRICT AREA. AND I DON'T MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT NUMBER. SO I LOOK AT IT FROM THIS, THIS PERSPECTIVE.

IF OUR NUMBER ONE OBJECTIVE IS TO EDUCATE KIDS, AND IF PARENTS FEEL AS THOUGH THEY CAN EDUCATE THEIR KIDS BETTER THAN WE CAN, SO THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT AT HOME AND THAT'S THEIR RIGHT. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD THINK IT'S BAD IF THEY SAID, HEY, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN DANCE BAND. AND BECAUSE THE FUNDING IS NOT ALLOCATED BASED, I MEAN, WE HAVE AN ATHLETICS BUDGET, OKAY, WE HAVE A FINE ARTS BUDGET. THERE'S NOT I SAY THIS AND I STAND CORRECTED. YOU KNOW, MR. CARROLL, MISS DAVIS, MISS WILLIAMS, IF YOU HAVE DIFFERENT INFORMATION, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THAT MONEY IS GOING TO EVERY KID BASED ON A 43,000 NUMBER. IT'S KIND OF A NUMBER. AND THEY KIND OF FIT IN THERE WITHIN THEIR NOW WE HAVE HISTORICAL INFORMATION.

SO I JUST DON'T SEE IT REALLY BEING ADVERSE. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S THAT HARD WHEN YOU'RE FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU'RE THE PRINCIPAL I'M GOING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING. NOW, IF YOU'RE A COACH, YOU'VE GOT TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT, WHICH IS HOW DO THEY CONDUCT THEMSELVES IN BETWEEN THE LINES ON THE DANCE FLOOR.

BUT WHEN THEY LEAVE AND GO HOME, I MEAN, THE PRINCIPAL DOESN'T HAVE TO GO, HEY, WHAT DOES BRETT WILLIAMS, YOU KNOW, DOING? I MEAN, I WOULD THINK IT'S PRETTY EASY, BUT I ALSO VIEW IT THIS WAY. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HAVE SOME CURRENT HOMESCHOOL PARENTS FOR WHATEVER REASONS? LET'S SAY THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT SAFETY. SO THEY CHOOSE TO HOMESCHOOL THEIR THEIR CHILD. BUT MAYBE THEY COME BACK. AND THROUGH THEIR PARTICIPATION IN ATHLETICS, WE REGAIN THEIR TRUST. AND THEY SAY, HEY, THE FOLLOWING YEAR I'M GOING TO GO ENROLL IN IN SCHOOL. WHAT'S THE RULE? IF YOU'RE A CURRENT HOMESCHOOL STUDENT AND YOU'RE FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS THROUGH THE SCHOOL YEAR AND YOU GO, MAN, I FEEL COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, I THINK I WANT TO GO AND BE IN CLASS EVERY DAY. DOES THAT YOU ENROLL? I MEAN, THEY WOULD JUST ENROLL AND YOU WOULD JUST ENROLL THE NEXT DAY. SO IT'S PUBLIC SCHOOL. SO I KIND OF VIEW IT AS ALMOST AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECRUIT PEOPLE BACK INTO OUR SYSTEM BY GIVING THEM A SLOW DRIP OF TRYING TO GAIN THEIR TRUST AND SAYING, OKAY, THERE'S A GREATER, GREATER LEVEL OF COMFORT. I JUST. PROBABLY FOUR YEARS AGO, I WOULD HAVE SAID, THERE'S NO WAY I WOULD SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THIS. BUT AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, I ALMOST NEED TO BE CONVINCED NOT TO DO IT BECAUSE I'M LIKE, WHY WOULD WE NOT ALLOW THE KIDS TO COME IN AND PARTICIPATE IF IT'S NOT GOING TO ADVERSELY IMPACT US FINANCIALLY, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF FOOTBALL TEAMS. YOU GOT TO MAKE THE TEAM, AND IF THE PERSON IS GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE THE TEAM, YOU'RE PROBABLY OKAY GIVING THEM A JERSEY. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S JUST WHERE I STAND. AND I WILL SAY THIS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THIS NEXT WEEK BECAUSE THERE'S TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HERE, AND I WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT IN A WORKSHOP ENVIRONMENT AND HAVE ALL THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. BUT I KNOW WE NEED TO TRACK ON YOUR YOUR DEADLINE. MADAM SECRETARY, I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT IF ALL OF OUR ATHLETIC PROGRAMS ARE GOVERNED BY ATHLETIC POLICIES, PROCEDURES THAT CIRCLE AROUND BEHAVIOR, DEMERIT SYSTEMS, LOSS OF GAMES. IF THE BEHAVIOR IS AN ISSUE, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO LINE UP WITH THOSE, CORRECT? CORRECT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL OF OUR RULES. SO IF THERE'S A BEHAVIOR ISSUE NUMBER THREE, ABSOLUTELY, IT WOULD BE GOVERNED BY THE DEMERIT SYSTEM ANYWAY FOR THE TEAM. YES FOR THAT STUDENT. BUT FOR THE HOME SCHOOL STUDENT. FOR THE HOME SCHOOL STUDENT. YES. OKAY. CAN I ADD CAN I OFFER OR ASK TO REQUEST SOMETHING. SO PART OF THE THEMES FROM FEEDBACK IS THAT

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I SAY A FOOTBALL TEAM BECAUSE MOSTLY ALIGNED WITH WHAT I'VE DONE. THERE IS A CULTURE PIECE TO IT AND THAT HANDS ON WITH THOSE KIDS IN YOUR ON YOUR CAMPUS, IN YOUR SCHOOLS, THE DAILY IN AND OUTS, THE CAMARADERIE, THE BUILDING, THOSE RELATIONSHIPS ALONG THE LINE THAT YOU LOSE CONTACT WITH SOMEONE THAT IS THAT IS HOMESCHOOLED FOR THAT SESSION.

JUST TO TAKE A KIND OF LOWER LEVEL, LAYMAN'S TERMS KIND OF THING, IS THIS IS MY THOUGHT OF IT AS, AS, AS OUR COORDINATORS AND SPEAKING WITH OUR COORDINATORS AND THINGS AS SUCH.

KISD IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR MY KIDS TO PLAY ON THEIR TEAM, BUT IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME TO BE SCHOOLED BY OUR OUR EDUCATORS IN KISD. AND YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE THAT FOR HOWEVER IT LOOKS, IT'S HARD WITH ME. I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IF A PLACE IS WELL ENOUGH OR GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME TO COACH AT, IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR MY KID TO COME TO SCHOOL. I WOULDN'T SIT IN MY KID, I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T BE A HEAD FOOTBALL COACH SOMEWHERE AND THEN SEND MY KIDS AND IT HAPPENS. BUT I WOULDN'T SEND MY KIDS OVER SOMEWHERE FOR ME TO GO COMPETE AGAINST THEM. IF IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR MY KIDS TO COME TO SCHOOL HERE AND BE EDUCATED. AND AGAIN, I THINK ACROSS THC AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, THE TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL COACHES ASSOCIATION, WHAT WE ALL BELIEVE IN IS WE WE'RE KIND OF LIKE WHAT MISS JONES WAS SAYING. WE ARE OUR OUR STUDENTS ARE STUDENT ATHLETES FIRST. WE'RE NEVER ATHLETES FIRST. WE'RE STUDENT ATHLETES. AND SO WHEN WE'RE OPTING IN AND ALLOWING HOMESCHOOLERS TO COME IN TO OUR TEAMS, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GOING STUDENT FIRST. WE'RE WE'RE SAYING THE ATHLETIC PIECE IS IN FRONT OF THE STUDENT PIECE BECAUSE WE WANT TO TAKE THOSE GOOD ATHLETES AND WHATEVER AND PUT THEM ON OUR TEAMS. I THINK IT OPENS THE DOORS FOR RECRUITING, WHICH IS ANOTHER BATTLE THAT WE FIGHT WITHIN THC IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE KIDS. I CAN EASILY NOT HAVE A KID ENROLL AND HAVE THAT KID OPT IN TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, WHERE SOMEONE FROM A NEIGHBORING DISTRICT WHO IS NOT OPTED IN, WHO IS NOT OPTED IN, AND I CAN TAKE I CAN GO OUT AND I CAN RECRUIT ALL THESE SURROUNDING AREAS TO NOW RECRUIT KIDS. AND THAT'S NOT US. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT HIGH SCHOOL. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL. BUT I CERTAINLY COULD. IF THAT WAS MY MINDSET, I COULD I COULD MAKE A POWER TEAM AND GO AROUND AND RECRUIT FROM ALL THESE OUTSIDE AREAS TO START BRINGING IN KIDS. AND AGAIN, WE'RE LOSING THE PURPOSE OF THAT COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH LINING UP OUR ATHLETIC PROGRAMS, OUR TEAMS, OUR FINE ARTS DEPARTMENT AND THOSE KIND OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT COME TOGETHER AND BUILD THAT UNITY WITHIN, WITHIN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND SO AMONGST, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO OUR COACHES, OUR THC RICH TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL COACHES STATION, WHICH GOVERNS US, WE KIND OF TAKE THAT SAME STANCE WITH THC ON WHAT OUR PURPOSE IS AND WHAT WHAT WE'RE DRIVEN TO DO WITH ATHLETICS. IT'S NOT THE SOLE SOURCE, BUT ATHLETICS, I FEEL LIKE IS THE VEHICLE THAT DRIVES US THROUGH TO GET THE EDUCATIONAL PIECES OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR DOWN THE ROAD AS FAR AS OUR STUDENT SUCCESS AND SCHOOLING AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE DOING. FROM A FINE ARTS PERSPECTIVE, WE ECHO EVERYTHING THAT COACH CARROLL JUST SHARED FOR OUR COACHES AND OUR TEACHERS. IT REALLY IS ABOUT THE CULTURE PIECE BECAUSE OUR OUR THE CULTURE OF OUR MARCHING BAND, THE CULTURE OF OUR VARSITY THEATER TEAM DOESN'T START IN HIGH SCHOOL. IT DOESN'T START IN THAT COURSE. IT STARTS ALL THE WAY BACK IN SIXTH GRADE THAT WE'RE INTENTIONALLY BUILDING A PROGRAMMATIC EXPERIENCES, INSTRUCTIONAL EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCES IN THAT ENTRY LEVEL CLASS THAT THEN SEQUENTIALLY BUILDS AND DEVELOPS SKILLS ON TOP OF THAT. SO A STUDENT WHO IS NOT A PART OF THAT CULTURE BUILDING IS NOT A PART OF THOSE EXPERIENCES COMING IN AT A LATER POINT IS WILL BE AT A DISADVANTAGE. THEY'RE NOT SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE. AND OUR OUR COACHES HAVE CONCERNS NOT JUST ABOUT THE STUDENTS WHO ARE ENROLLED IN KILLEEN ISD, BUT WHAT THE EXPERIENCE OF THAT HOMESCHOOL STUDENT IS GOING TO BE WHO IS AN OUTSIDER HAS NOT BEEN A PART OF THAT CULTURE. DEVELOPMENT IS NOW COMING IN.

MAYBE THEY'RE AN AMAZING SINGER OR OR THEY'RE THEY HAVE EXCELLENT MUSICIANSHIP BECAUSE

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GOOD MORNING. I WANT TO READ A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT OUR COACHES HAVE SAID DIRECTLY AND START WITH THC THEIR THEIR STANCE, HOMESCHOOL PARTICIPATION IN ACTIVITIES THREATENS TO ERODE THE FAIRNESS, INTEGRITY AND EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE OF EXTRACURRICULAR PROGRAMS WHILE RESPECTING THE RIGHTS OF PARENTS TO CHOOSE ALTERNATIVE EDUCATION. PUBLIC SCHOOL ATHLETIC PROGRAMS MUST BE GOVERNED BY CONSISTENT STANDARDS, EQUITABLE, EQUITABLE OVERSIGHT, AND A SHARED COMMITMENT TO EDUCATIONAL ACCOUNTABILITY. WITHOUT ENROLLMENT, THERE SHOULD BE NO ELIGIBILITY. AND SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, I MEAN, JUST JUST LOOKING AT GRADES BY ITSELF, YOU'RE SAYING THAT A PARENT NOTE BASICALLY WOULD BE AS EFFECTIVE AS A REPORT CARD IS WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE SAYING WITH THAT, THAT THEY CAN BE ELIGIBLE THAT WAY. THAT'S NOT THE SAME STANDARD. THAT'S NOT JUST WHEN IT COMES TO DISCIPLINE OF ATHLETES. KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT. THEY HAVE EIGHT PERIODS NOW. SO THERE'S POTENTIAL THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO DRESS RIGHT, DRESS ALL DAY, EVERY DAY AND DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO DURING THE SCHOOL DAY IN ORDER TO HAVE THE PRIVILEGE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT ATHLETICS AND EXTRACURRICULARS ARE. IT'S A PRIVILEGE, NOT A RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE, BUT A STUDENT THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE DAY. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING ALL DAY. THEY COULD BE TRAINING ALL DAY, WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS AGAINST U-I-L RULES. HOW ARE WE GOING TO WATCH THAT? AND THEN COMING BACK INTO OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM. AND SO IT'S I FEEL LIKE THERE IS POTENTIAL BECAUSE THE REALITY IS WE DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOOD OR BAD ON THE OUTSIDE. FOR ME, AS AN ATHLETIC PERSON, AS A FORMER COACH, AS AN ADVOCATE FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THIS IS BAD. THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION. AS A FORMER PRINCIPAL, THE WHEN THERE WAS DISAGREEMENTS IN SCHOOL, WE SOMETIMES HAD KIDS. PARENTS WITHDRAW THEIR STUDENT AND PUT HOMESCHOOL ON THE WITHDRAWAL REASON. AND SO HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KEEP EVERYONE TO THE SAME STANDARD IF WE'RE NOT DOING THE SAME THING? AND SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THAT IS THE FAIRNESS AND EQUITY OF THIS. THIS IT'S THE MATH AIN'T MATH.

AND TO ME. CAN I CAN I OKAY. SO HERE'S. MY GOT A COUPLE THINGS HERE. AND THANK YOU MR. MANSON.

MISS JONES, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS EDUCATION. I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT A PARENT DOESN'T HOMESCHOOL THEIR KIDS BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT WE'RE THE BEST OPTION FOR THEIR EDUCATION. THEY'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT THEIR KID IN THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO GET A HIGH LEVEL EDUCATION. THAT'S HOW I VIEW HOMESCHOOL, BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S ACADEMICALLY, WHETHER IT'S SAFETY, THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY THINK IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THEIR KID. AND I THINK I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US THINKING THAT'S A BAD THING, THAT SOMEONE CHOOSES TO HOMESCHOOL THEIR KID BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT ONE ON ONE ENVIRONMENT, THEY CAN EDUCATE THEIR KID BETTER THAN WE CAN. I LOVE THIS DISTRICT, OKAY? I'M A PRODUCT OF IT. I TELL PEOPLE I PUT MY RESUME OF LOVING IT UP AGAINST ANYBODY ELSE'S, BUT THE DATA DOES NOT LIE ABOUT OUR DISTRICT AND ABOUT PEOPLE SAYING, HEY, WHAT ARE OTHER OPTIONS TO EXPLORE? AND BECAUSE

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AND THEY CHOOSE TO HOMESCHOOL THEIR KID. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SAY SO THEY SHOULDN'T GET A CHANCE TO BE AN ATHLETE. I JUST, I JUST I JUST DISAGREE WITH THAT. WE USE THIS TERM AND THIS I'M NOT USING THIS, MISS DAVIS. WE MAKE THIS TERM OUTSIDER. AND I'M GOING WHOA, WHOA. THAT'S THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT HOW BRETT ROLLS. I MEAN, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE IN THE FOOTPRINT OF INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, AT ANY POINT IN TIME, THAT KID COULD CHOOSE TO ENROLL IN OUR DISTRICT. AND I HOPE THAT EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM, I HOPE WE'RE NOT SAYING WELCOME, OUTSIDER. I'M JUST SAYING THEY'RE THEY'RE A PART OF US. THEY'RE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT ANY DIFFERENT. AND WE TALK ABOUT HOW THEY INTERACT IN THE HALLS AS ATHLETES AND ALL THAT. I, I GET THAT, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, MY ABILITY TO GET BUCKETS ON A BASKETBALL COURT IS NOT DETERMINED BY WHO I WALK AROUND THE HALLS WITH. IT'S DETERMINED HOW I WORK IN PRACTICE AND ON MY OWN. AND I'M TELLING YOU, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS. LET'S MAKE THAT COMPARISON THAT ARE REPUBLICANS, THAT ARE DEMOCRATS THAT HAVE TOTALLY DIFFERENT OPINIONS, BUT THEY'RE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER ON A FOOTBALL FIELD, ON A DANCE STUDIO, BASKETBALL COURT FOR THE COMMON GOOD, TO DO GREAT THINGS. AND THAT'S HOW I VIEW THIS. AND SO I THINK YOU CAN BE A HOMESCHOOLER AND COME INTO AN ENVIRONMENT AND NOT HAVE TO WALK THE HALLS AND NECESSARILY DRINK THE KOOL-AID THAT EVERYBODY ELSE DRINKS AND STILL BE PRODUCTIVE. I JUST I HONESTLY THINK THAT AND HERE'S IT'S NOT ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION. IT'S ABOUT EDUCATION. I THINK THE STATE HAS SPOKE LOUD AND CLEAR ON THAT FRONT, THAT IT'S ABOUT EDUCATION. IT'S NOT A KNOCK ON PUBLIC EDUCATION. WE JUST HAVE TO BE THE BEST OPTION. FOR THEM. AND IT JUST IT'S BASED ON HARD WORK. COACHES, DANCE INSTRUCTORS, BAND INSTRUCTORS, MAN, IF YOU CAN PLAY THE TUBA OR THE TROMBONE, THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD BE EMBRACING. THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD BE EMBRACING. AND I GET IT. WE TALK ABOUT HOW THEY COME IN. THERE'S A CULTURE THAT'S ESTABLISHED FROM SIXTH, SEVENTH, EIGHTH GRADE. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THERE'S ONE LITTLE PROBLEM WITH THAT HERE LOCALLY.

THIS IS THE GREAT PLACE. IT'S FORT HOOD. THEY'RE COMING AND GOING ALL THE TIME. MORE SO WHEN I WENT TO SCHOOL THAN EVER, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE A BEST FRIEND FOR MORE THAN 2 OR 3 YEARS BECAUSE THEY WERE CYCLING THEM LEFT AND RIGHT. AND GUESS WHAT? WE WERE OFTEN SITTING THERE GOING, MAN, WE CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHO THE MOVE INS ARE THIS YEAR. AND SO I MEAN, WE JUST.

YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THE TRAINING, THE RULE ON TRAINING. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S IF YOU'RE HOMESCHOOLED. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A RULE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T TRAIN DURING THE DAY AND IF YOU CAN TRACK IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE MY BIGGEST CONCERN, WHAT I WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT IF THEY WOULD DRAW, I THINK THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE, IF THEY WOULD DRAW AND GO HOMESCHOOL BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ENROLLED THAT SCHOOL YEAR. SO I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE, I DON'T THINK. I MEAN, AND YES, THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT MAN, AS DOCTOR CRAYTON WILL SAY, THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER, EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS. AND I'M JUST SAYING I THINK THERE'S THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST SAY, LET'S SEE WHAT THIS MAY BE. AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE OPT OUT NEXT YEAR POTENTIALLY. YOU KNOW, AND I JUST WE. MR. MINTZ, SO I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING MR. WILLIAMS SAID. A COUPLE OF THINGS AND I'M KIND OF BOTHERED. I DON'T I'M A LITTLE BIT BOTHERED BY THIS AND I THINK IT'S WORTH SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENT. IF I HEAR THE WORD OUTSIDER AND LET'S TALK ABOUT CULTURE. RIGHT. MR. WILLIAMS? I TALK ABOUT CULTURE ALL THE TIME. ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT YOUR CULTURE ON A TEAM OR A DANCE TROUPE OR WHATEVER IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO ALLOW A COUPLE MORE KIDS WHO DON'T GO TO THE SAME SCHOOL TO COME BE A PART OF IT, LIKE THE CULTURE IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH. THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PROBLEM HERE, AND IT AIN'T HOMESCHOOLERS. I'LL TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW. WE CAN'T TREAT PEOPLE AS OUTSIDERS. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, PERIOD. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THEY PAY TAXES, WHICH TO ME IS SECONDARY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE LISTENING TO THE TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL COACHES ASSOCIATION. MY QUESTION, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S RHETORICAL, WERE THEY OUT THERE ADVOCATING FOR VOUCHERS AND FOR HOMES? PARENTS RIGHT TO HOMESCHOOL? NO, THEY WEREN'T THERE. THE HIGH SCHOOL COACHES ASSOCIATION, THEY HAVE AN INTEREST. OKAY. AND I GUARANTEE YOU THAT'S NOT THE SAME INTEREST AS THE DIRECTION

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AND THAT'S WE'RE TRYING TO END AROUND WHAT OUR TO USE A SPORTS TERM, WE'RE TRYING TO END AROUND WHAT OUR LEGISLATORS HAVE PUT IN PLACE. ASIDE FROM THE FACT IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. WE HAVE GOT TO EDUCATE ALL THE KIDS IN THIS COMMUNITY, PERIOD. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES THERE NEEDS TO BE. AND DOCTOR BUCKLEY, YOU ALLUDED TO IT LIKE THERE'S GOT TO BE A POLICY. IF THE KIDS LIKE MISS CAPITO MENTIONED, IF THE KIDS GOT OUT, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO DODGE THE AP, SORRY, THAT'S A NONSTARTER. IF THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE SAME TIMELINES. I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD BEND OVER BACKWARDS AND ALLOW KIDS IN IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF A SEASON, UNLESS WE WOULD THERE'S A PROVISION TO DO THAT. OTHERWISE. I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO PROTECT THE ORDERLY EXECUTION OF THESE THINGS AND OF THESE PROGRAMS. OKAY. BUT WE'VE GOT TO ALLOW THOSE KIDS IN. IF THEY IF THEY IF THEY OTHERWISE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. YOU KNOW, THIS AND WE HEAR A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THESE ARE KIND OF EXTRAS AND I DISAGREE. RIGHT. WERE IT NOT FOR ATHLETICS I WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN INTO WEST POINT. I'M MAKE NO BONES ABOUT THAT. RIGHT. FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED MY LIFE. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY. AND I'M NOT SAYING KIDS SHOULD GO INTO ATHLETICS. I NEVER WENT INTO IT TO GET INTO COLLEGE. KIDS SHOULDN'T DO IT TO GO LOOK FOR A PROFESSIONAL CONTRACT. THEY SHOULD GO INTO IT BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY GAIN FROM PARTICIPATION. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO GET AFTER HERE, AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT FOR ALL KIDS. AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANOTHER WORD ABOUT HOW SOMEBODY IS A PROFESSIONAL EDUCATOR. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO EDUCATE ALL THE KIDS IN THIS AREA THAT WE ARE CHARGED WITH EDUCATING. MADAM CAPITO. I HEAR EVERYONE, AND I'M VERY, VERY TORN ON ALL OF THIS BECAUSE I STILL AM VERY CONVICTED BY KIDS WHO WERE IN OUR SYSTEM AND THEN LEFT AND BEHAVIORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BEFORE I COULD REALLY MAKE A GOOD DECISION ON THIS. DO WE GET TO PUT THOSE POLICIES? AND I DON'T SOMETIMES THERE'S SOMETHING GIVEN. AND IF WE OPT IN OR OPT OUT, IT'S LIKE ALL OR NOTHING AND YOU DON'T GET A SAY IN THINGS LIKE, I WANT TO KNOW THAT IF WE DID SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THIS, THAT THESE STRICT POLICIES AND THESE PROCEDURES AND THINGS COULD BE PUT IN PLACE BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR TO OUR STAFF AND OUR COACHES. THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE ALREADY HAVING VERY CLEAR BOUNDARIES THAT THEY DON'T THEY ARE NOT FOR THIS. IF WE GO AGAINST WHAT OUR STAFF IS WANTING, THEN HOW DO WE PROTECT AND FIND THAT NEUTRAL GROUND AND BE ABLE TO SAY, IF YOU ARE AVOIDING DAP OR YOUR GRADES OR THIS OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS, I HEAR THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE TEST AT LEAST EVERY TWO YEARS, SO AT LEAST THERE'S SOME ACADEMIC ACCOUNTABILITY. BECAUSE YES, I AGREE, THERE ARE SOME WONDERFUL HOMESCHOOL PARENTS, BUT THERE ARE ALSO SOME WHO JUST CHOOSE NOT TO, AND THEY STAY HOME AND DON'T DO SO. I THINK THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY AND EQUITABLY, EQUITABLY WITH ALL OF OUR ATHLETES AND GETTING TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROGRAMS BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FAIR IF WE DON'T PUT THOSE POLICIES IN PLACE. SO ARE WE ACTUALLY ALLOWED IS REALLY THE QUESTION TO PUT THAT MANY GUIDELINES OR TO PUT THINGS IN PLACE? AND IT'S NOT JUST AN ALL OR NOTHING. YEAH, I'VE BEEN MAKING A LIST, SO YOU WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE A PROCEDURE FOR THIS. AND THINGS I'VE WRITTEN, YOU KNOW, WHERE WOULD YOU TAKE THE NORM REFERENCE TEST. WHO'S GOING TO ADMINISTER IT. DISCIPLINE GUIDELINES. WE DO HAVE A POLICY THAT IF YOU REMOVE TO HOMESCHOOL TO AVOID DAP PLACEMENT, YOU HAVE TO STAY OUT OF CALENDAR YEAR BEFORE YOU CAN ENROLL. I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY EMBED SOMETHING IN THAT WHERE YOU WHERE THAT IS A NULL AND VOID UNTIL YOU'RE YOU SIT OUT A CALENDAR YEAR. I PUT LEAVING CAMPUS AFTER CLASS PERIOD. THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE RULES. WE HAVE THAT THE SAME WITH DUAL CREDIT KIDS OR EARLY RELEASE KIDS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE PICKED UP AT A CERTAIN TIME OR LEAVE AT A CERTAIN TIME. GRADE CHECK WHEN AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THE

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BUT SILLITOE TEMPLE, BELTON, COPPERAS COVE ARE ALL OUT. AND THOSE HOMESCHOOL CHILDREN IN THOSE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THEN HAVE AN OPTION TO COME TO OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT TO DO ATHLETICS ONLY, AM I CORRECT? CORRECT. SILLITOE. SILLITOE IS IN. THEY THEY OPTED IN IN THE PAST. SO I BELIEVE SILLITOE WILL STAY. WE'RE HEARING THAT THE OTHERS ARE GOING TO OPT OUT WHICH WOULD ALLOW IT SAYS THE CLOSEST NEIGHBORING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS IT. SO IT COULD BE SILLITOE, IT COULD BE KILLEEN. SO TO MY POINT, DON'T DON'T OPT OUT OF THAT CONVERSATION TO MAKING SURE EVERYBODY ELSE UNDERSTANDS THAT WE HAVE KISD FOOTBALL TEAM, AND WE HAVE TWO HOMESCHOOL KIDS FROM TEMPLE WHO ARE NOW ON KISD. SO IS IT KIDS FOOTBALL TEAM OR IS IT KISD SLASH? I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S I CAN ANSWER THAT FOR YOU. IT'S OUR TEAM. I UNDERSTAND IT'S KIDS FOOTBALL TEAM, I GET THAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT GOES BACK TO THAT CULTURE PIECE THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND THIS ISN'T TO BEAT UP WHAT MR. MINTZ SAYS OR WHAT MR. WILLIAMS SAYS OR ANYBODY ELSE.

IT'S JUST THINGS TO PONDER. IT'S THINGS FOR EVERY ONE OF US TO BE THINKING ABOUT. SO WE HAVE TWO KIDS FROM TEMPLE. WE HAVE TWO KIDS FROM BELTON. WE HAVE THREE KIDS FROM COPPERAS COVE. THEY'RE ALL ON OUR FOOTBALL TEAM, COMPETING AGAINST OUR STUDENTS WHO COME TO KISD EVERY DAY, FIVE DAYS A WEEK, WHO TRAIN, WHO ARE HERE AT 6 A.M. FOR BAND PRACTICE OR WHATEVER. THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT I ASK THAT YOU PONDER. HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR STUDENTS IN KISD, AND HOW DID THEY LOOK AT THAT? IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST ARE WE BRINGING IN CONTRACT PLAYERS TO COME AND SUPPLEMENT OUR TEAM TO MAKE US A BETTER TEAM? AND, AND THE ARGUMENT ABOUT HOMESCHOOLERS BEING ABLE TO WORK HARDER AND DO OTHER THINGS AND LIKE MAYBE SEND, GET AND BRING IN EXTRA COACHING OR BE IN HOUSTON TRAINING WHILE MY KIDS ARE IN THE CLASSROOM STUDYING. I GET THAT. AND THE ARGUMENT COULD BE, WELL, THEY JUST NEED TO WORK HARDER. THEY JUST NEED TO PRACTICE MORE. BUT THAT'S WHAT SPORTS AND FINE ARTS ARE ALL ABOUT, IS WHAT IS THE EQUITABLE TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THAT. SO I GO BACK TO THESE THESE QUESTIONS AND LIKE I SAID, I'M I'M ON THE EDGE ON THIS. I'M NOT FOR IT. I'M NOT AGAINST IT NECESSARILY. I REALLY WANT TO STUDY THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT I COME BACK TO THAT. AND THEN WHAT ALSO COMES TO MIND IS CHOICES. AND I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME. LIFE IS ABOUT CHOICES. AND IF WE CHOOSE TO HOMESCHOOL OUR CHILDREN, THAT'S A CHOICE. AND I SUPPORT THAT CHOICE. IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, I AND I'M NOT GOING TO CALL THEM OUTSIDERS. I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT. IT'S PARENTS CHOICE. I GET THAT WHETHER YOU WANT TO GO TO A CATHOLIC SCHOOL OR A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL OR YOU WANT TO HOMESCHOOL YOUR CHILDREN, THAT'S YOUR CHOICE. WE HAVE EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL IN OUR DISTRICT, AND WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL WAS ABOUT ACADEMICS. IT WAS NOT ABOUT CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES, AND WE STRUCTURED OUR PROGRAM THAT WAY SO EARLY. COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL DOES NOT HAVE ACADEMICS, ATHLETICS, OR EXCUSE ME, ATHLETICS. SO ARE WE DOING THOSE CHILDREN A DISSERVICE BY EXCLUDING THEM FROM THAT TYPE OF OPPORTUNITY? BUT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW OTHER STUDENTS WHO AREN'T KISD STUDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR ATHLETIC PROGRAM. SO IF WE CHOOSE TO DO THIS, I WOULD SUGGEST WE ALSO KIND OF LOOK AT THAT. ARE WE GOING TO LET THOSE CHILDREN AT EARLY COLLEGE, HIGH SCHOOL COME BACK IN AND SAY, WELL, MY HOME CAMPUS WAS HARKER HEIGHTS, SO I WANT TO BE ON THE HARKER HEIGHTS FOOTBALL TEAM, EVEN THOUGH I'M GOING TO EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL OUT HERE AT CTC. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION POINT. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS POINT. MADE. THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY. I'M REALLY, REALLY STRUGGLING WITH

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THAT'S HOW COME PEOPLE GET WEEDED OUT, YOU KNOW? SO, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, SO BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE AWARE, I'M NOT SPORTS ORIENTED. SO I HAVE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND ALL THIS. SO IN NINTH GRADE CHILDREN HAVE TO HAVE AN A PHYSICAL CREDIT. IS THAT CORRECT. SO FROM HOMESCHOOLING POINTS PERSPECTIVE, WOULD THEY BE GETTING THAT PHYSICAL CREDIT HOUR FROM OUR DISTRICT OR WOULD THEY BE GETTING IT FROM THE OUTSIDE? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'D BE ANY CREDIT GIVEN THERE WOULD BE NO GRADES SUBMITTED. ALL RIGHT. BUT. IF A NINTH GRADER IS SIGNED UP FOR WRESTLING, FOR INSTANCE, AND THE EVERYBODY, YOU GOT A WHOLE ROOM FULL OF NINTH GRADERS WHO ARE WRESTLERS NOW, IS THERE A WELL, YOU'RE NOT A GOOD WRESTLER, SO YOU CAN'T BE ON THE TEAM? OR ARE YOU PART OF THE WRESTLING PROGRAM? FOOTBALL. SAME THING. ARE YOU PART OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM NOW? YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO GET TO GO OUT AND PLAY ON THE FIELD. BUT YOU'RE PART OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM. YOU'RE GOING TO TRAIN WITH US. YOU'RE GOING TO DO THOSE THINGS.

IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? BECAUSE ARE YOU REQUIRING LIKE AS FAR AS A VARSITY PLAYER IF YOU MAKE THE TEAM? I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S THE THING HERE, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY A VARSITY PLAYER COULD BE A JV PLAYER, A NINTH GRADE VARSITY. I MEAN, YEAH. SO WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT VARSITY UP HERE. BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THIS IN BETWEEN? YEAH. YEAH. LET'S LET'S CLARIFY. TO HELP MADAM VICE PRESIDENT OUT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE EVERY TEAM IN WHETHER IT'S STARTING IN SEVENTH, EIGHTH, NINTH THROUGH 12TH GRADE IN SOME CASES NOW IN FOOTBALL, BASED ON UNIFORMS, THEY MAY SAY, HEY, WE CAN GO UP TO THIS NUMBER. AND IN SOME CASES THEY MIGHT GO UP AND SAY, BUT WE ONLY DRESS SO MANY ON GAME DAY AND THAT'S ACROSS THE PLATFORM, I'M PRETTY SURE MISS DAVIS HELP US OUT WHEN IT COMES TO FINE ARTS AND BAND. I MEAN, YOU GOT TO PERFORM AND MAKE IT CORRECT. I MEAN, DIFFERENT TEAMS ARE DIFFERENT SIZES. YES, IT'S A LITTLE MORE IT'S A LITTLE LESS CLEAR IN LIKE MIDDLE SCHOOL BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT ENTRY LEVEL WHERE THERE IS NO AUDITION. LIKE YOU JUST SIGN UP FOR BEGINNING BAND, YOU KNOW, SAME WITH BEGINNING CHOIR, SAME WITH BEGINNING THEATER DANCE.

THE PAUSE REAL QUICK. IS THAT CONSIDERED? YOU'LL THOUGH IT'S NOT EXTRACURRICULAR, IT'S CURRICULAR. AND SO FOR FINE ARTS THERE'S DEFINITELY WE WOULD NEED I WOULD I WOULD RECOMMEND SOME PROCEDURE AROUND WHAT IS EXTRACURRICULAR, WHAT IS CO-CURRICULAR AND WHAT IS CURRICULAR. BECAUSE MANY OF THE FINE ARTS PROGRAMS, THE EXTRACURRICULAR PIECES ARE BUILT INTO CURRICULAR CLASSES AND MANY, ESPECIALLY IN OUR MUSIC PROGRAM, IS CO-CURRICULAR MORE THAN EXTRACURRICULAR. SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO WORK THROUGH. YES, I JUST LIKE I SAID, I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN CHILDREN TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AS LONG AS THEIR GRADES ARE GOOD. SO I'M THINKING YOU CAN HAVE A FOOTBALL TEAM OF 50 FOOTBALL PLAYERS AT HARKER HEIGHTS HIGH SCHOOL, BUT YOU'RE ONLY PLAYING. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YOU PLAY ON A FOOTBALL FIELD, SO YOU'RE ONLY PLAYING 11 AT A TIME, BUT YOU COULD STILL HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THERE. SO AND $1,500 IS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE TRAINERS, MORE STAFF, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL THESE OTHER STUDENTS COMING IN FROM A DISTRICTS THAT ADJOINING DISTRICTS THAT AREN'T PARTICIPATING IN THE OPT IN VERSUS THE OPT OUT. SO AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'M ON THE FENCE OF THIS AND I'M OPEN TO NEW IDEAS. AND IF WE AS LONG AS WE HAVE AN OUT NEXT YEAR, IF WE DECIDE TO DO IT THIS YEAR, WE

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BUT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN DETERMINING WHO'S ON ANY FOOTBALL TEAM, ANY DANCE TEAM, ANY BAND TEAM. GOD KNOWS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHEERLEADING. OKAY? BECAUSE I KNOW I'M SERIOUS. AND SO I THINK THAT'S A NON-NEGOTIABLE. DOCTOR BUCKLEY, AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY THROUGH THIS, AND I WANT THE COACHES AND DANCE INSTRUCTORS AND FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE THEIR AUTHORITY AT ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO AND DOCTOR BUCKLEY THAT SAYS CONSENT AGENDA. BUT WE'RE GOING TO PAUSE THAT BECAUSE WE GOT TWO MISSING. GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO WORK WITH YOUR TEAM. BUT MAKE SURE YOU DON'T LET US GET IN TROUBLE WITH THE DEADLINE. THANK YOU. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO F, WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF LEGISLATIVE CHANGES AFFECTING KILLEEN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT FOR THE 2025 2026 SCHOOL YEAR. DOCTOR TERRY OSBORNE, LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT A FULL TEAM HERE. FULL TEAM. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. AS NOTED IN OUR PREVIOUS ITEM, WE ARE ASSESSING A VARIETY OF BILLS FROM THE 89TH LEGISLATURE THAT WILL IMPACT EDUCATION AS WELL AS DISTRICT OPERATIONS. ONE OF THOSE BILLS IS HOUSE BILL SIX, WHICH HAS NOW BEEN SIGNED INTO LAW. THAT DIRECTLY IMPACTS CHAPTER 37 OF THE TEXAS EDUCATION CODE THAT PRIMARILY ADDRESSES OUR PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES RELATED TO DISCIPLINE. THIS MORNING, OUR ROLE IS TO PROVIDE CONTEXT ON THE INFORMATION WITHIN HOUSE BILL SIX, AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE IMPLICATIONS IT WILL HAVE ON THE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE OUTLINED FOR THE 2526 SCHOOL YEAR. THIS MORNING. I HAVE THE TEAM FROM STUDENT SUPPORT SERVICES TO TALK THROUGH THE POWERPOINT. IT IS A DIRECT REFLECTION OF THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY YOU RECEIVED FROM TOM THOMPSON AND HORTON. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MR. PRESIDENT. DOCTOR FAY, FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. AS DOCTOR OSBORNE STATED, WE ARE HERE TO GO OVER SOME OF THE HB SIX LEGISLATIVE CONTENT THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING OUR WAY. IT WAS SIGNED IN INTO LAW ON JUNE 20TH, IF YOU REMEMBER, BACK ON MARCH, BACK IN MARCH, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT DAY DOCTOR FAY WENT DOWN AND SPOKE ON THE HOUSE FLOOR WITH THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE, HER AND DOCTOR JANELLE MUHAMMAD.

AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WENT THAT THEY SPOKE IN SUPPORT OF. AND SO WE WANTED TO GO OVER WITH YOU TODAY OVER SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO IMPACT OUR DISTRICT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I WILL SAY, AS WE GET STARTED, THE ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS THAT I THINK CAME OUT OF, OF THIS LEGISLATIVE PIECE IS THAT THERE IS A LARGE RESPONSE TO THE TEACHER VOICE IN ALL OF THIS. WE'VE BEEN HEARING IT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. THEY'VE BEEN HEARING IT AT THE STATE LEVEL AS WELL ABOUT STUDENT DISCIPLINE IN THE CLASSROOM. AND SO THEY LISTENED, AND THEY PUT SOME OF THE THINGS BACK IN AND GAVE US THE ABILITY TO HANDLE AND MITIGATE SOME OF THESE BEHAVIORS. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER SOME OF THOSE THINGS TODAY. ALL RIGHT. LET'S TALK ABOUT. ALL RIGHT. FIRST UP IN-SCHOOL SUSPENSION ES IS HAS BEEN IMPACTED PRETTY PRETTY DRAMATICALLY. PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS A CAP ON THAT. NO STUDENT COULD BE ASSIGNED TO ES FOR MORE THAN THREE DAYS AT A TIME THAT HAS BEEN LIFTED. THERE IS NO MORE CAP. A STUDENT CAN BE PLACED IN ES FOR AN INDEFINITE AMOUNT OF TIME. THE ONLY REQUIREMENT WITH THAT IS THAT AT TEN DAYS, THAT THERE IS A REVIEW DONE BY THE PRINCIPAL, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BEHAVIORAL

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WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE STILL PROGRESSING. UNDERSTAND THIS DOES NOT IMPACT OSS OR OUT OF SCHOOL SUSPENSION. THIS IS ONLY THE IN-SCHOOL SUSPENSION. THE OSS STILL CARRIES THAT THREE DAY CAP. THE. THIS ALSO HAS A DIRECT MANDATE THAT ANY STUDENTS THAT ARE RECEIVING SERVICES THROUGH SPECIAL EDUCATION FOR BEHAVIORAL OR EDUCATIONAL SERVICES, THEY DO HAVE TO RECEIVE THOSE. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING THAT AS A DISTRICT. WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL SMART ES. AND SO WE ALREADY PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES AND IT IS TRACKED WHILE THEY'RE IN ES. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE NEEDS AND PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES AS, AS DETAILED BY THE, THE ARD COMMITTEE. FOR REPEATED DISRUPTION IN THE CLASSROOM.

THIS ALLOWS MR. WILES. YES. HOLD ON A SECOND. MR. DO WE WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS? HOW ARE YOU LIKING EACH TOPIC OR DO WE WANT TO GO? I THINK IT MIGHT BE EASIER AFTER EACH TOPIC. I'M FINE WITH THAT. LET'S LET'S FLIP BACK A SLIDE AND THEN LET'S OPEN UP QUESTIONS OKAY. SO IT'S TALKING ABOUT. SO THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT'S GOT TO HAPPEN RIGHT. WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR TEN DAY REVIEW OR TEN DAY REVIEW AND THEN HANG ON A TEN DAY REVIEW TO EVALUATE THE EDUCATIONAL PROGRESS AND DETERMINE IF CONTINUED SUSPENSION IS APPROPRIATE. TWO THINGS QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW TO PHRASE THEM WOULD BE WHO IS THE APPROPRIATE PRINCIPAL OR OTHER APPROPRIATE ADMINISTRATOR? HOW ARE WE DETERMINING THAT? AND B WHAT ARE THEY? HOW ARE THEY MAKING THAT EVALUATION? THIRD IS THE TEACHER WHO PUT THE STUDENT IN SUSPENSION CONSULTED ABOUT THIS. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN, THERE'S SOME REQUIREMENTS WHERE TEACHERS IF THEY IF THEY. AND I THINK THAT'S I DON'T I DON'T RECALL IF THAT'S FOR IN SCHOOL OR OUT OF SCHOOL. BUT I WANT TO KNOW HOW THE TEACHER WHO INITIATED THE SUSPENSION GETS INPUT INTO WHETHER OR NOT THE IN-SCHOOL SUSPENSION SHOULD BE CONTINUED.

SO THOSE ARE MY THREE QUESTIONS ON THAT. GOOD QUESTION. THE FIRST, THE TEACHER DOES NOT PLACE A STUDENT IN ES. SO ES IS DISCIPLINARY PLACEMENT THAT WOULD BE PLACED BY THE DISCIPLINARY ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL MOST CASES. SO THE WHO WOULD BE THE PERSON THAT WOULD REVIEW THIS IN MY OPINION, IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT CAMPUS PRINCIPAL. SO WE NEED TO, I THINK, NAIL DOWN WHO THAT IS IN OUR POLICY. ABSOLUTELY. AND AS WE GET TO THE END, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS AS A DISTRICT, WHAT WE DO MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE PIECES OF LEGISLATION. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING AS WE MOVE FORWARD IS, IS THAT SYSTEM OF REVIEW TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN HERE THAT THAT ARE CHANGES. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE FOLLOWING THE LAW, BUT WE'RE ALSO CONSISTENT FROM CAMPUS TO CAMPUS. WE DON'T WANT 52 SYSTEMS OPERATING INDEPENDENTLY. WE WANT TO BE DOING THIS THE SAME WAY ACROSS OUR. WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY SECOND POINT. WE NEED TO HAVE CRITERIA THAT SAYS WHEN EVALUATING WHETHER OR NOT TO RETURN A STUDENT, THE ADMINISTRATOR SHOULD CONSIDER A, B, C, D, E, F, G, AND THEN I THINK WHATEVER THE LAST NUMBER IS, OR PERHAPS THE FIRST LETTER IS INPUT FROM THE TEACHER OR TEACHERS WHO WHOSE CLASSROOMS WERE THE SITE OF THE MISCONDUCT THAT RESULTED IN THE ES.

ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE JUMPING AHEAD A LITTLE BIT THERE, MR. MINTZ, BUT IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES, WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CAMPUS BEHAVIOR COORDINATOR. THAT'S ALREADY BEEN A POSITION THAT'S ASSIGNED TO A CAMPUS ADMINISTRATOR. IT'S BEEN FURTHER DETAILED AND DEFINED IN THIS, BUT WE ALREADY DO A GOOD JOB AS A DISTRICT AS DEFINING THAT POSITION. BUT THAT PERSON ON THAT CAMPUS WOULD ALSO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS, AND IT COULD BE A COMMITTEE DECISION ON THAT CAMPUS TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. MADAM CAPITO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WAS ABOUT TRACKING THE ES. WILL OUR ATTENDANCE SYSTEM NOT DO THAT? IN WHAT WAY DO YOU MEAN TRACK? WELL, ARE WE TRACKING THE NUMBER OF DAYS? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRACKING? AND I WAS JUST ASKING IF THE ATTENDANCE SYSTEM WILL BE ABLE TO TRACK THOSE THINGS. SO. YEAH. GO AHEAD. THE ANSWER IS YES. OKAY. RIGHT. SO ANYTIME A STUDENT IS PLACED IN IN-SCHOOL SUSPENSIONS THERE'S A CODE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. IF THEY ARE NOT IN SCHOOL ON THAT DAY WHEN THEY ARE ASSIGNED TO THAT, IT IS RECORDED AS AN ABSENCE THROUGH ATTENDANCE PROCEDURES. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN MY SECOND THING IS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE I HEAR YOU SAYING THAT THE CAMPUS LEVEL PRINCIPAL IS THE PERSON PROBABLY ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE. IF THE CHILD IS SPECIAL ED, COULD THAT BE A CO

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PREVIOUSLY, STUDENTS THAT WERE SECOND GRADE AND BELOW WERE NOT WERE NOT PUT INTO OSS, AND NOW THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE ASSIGNED TO OSS FOR THOSE OFFENSES. ONE IMPORTANT NOTE HERE IS THAT AGAIN, THE CAMPUS ADMINISTRATOR, AT THEIR DISCRETION, IF THEY DO DETERMINE THAT THE STUDENT IS NOT. IN A IN A GOOD PLACE AT HOME, THEIR PARENTS ARE NOT ABLE TO CARE FOR THEM. WHEN WE PUT THEM INTO INTO SUSPENSION, THEY CAN CHANGE THAT TO AN IN-SCHOOL SUSPENSION SYSTEM SITUATION AND BRING THEM BACK ONTO CAMPUS. SO AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THE KID.

E-CIGARETTES AND VAPING, SOMETHING WE CONTINUE TO DEAL WITH. WE DO KNOW THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE STATE TOOK A VERY STRONG STANCE ON THIS AND MANDATED THAT ANY STUDENT THAT WAS CAUGHT IN POSSESSION OF WAS GOING TO BE SENT TO THE A&P. AS A DISTRICT. WE WERE ABLE TO BECAUSE WE'RE A DISTRICT OF INNOVATION. WE WERE ABLE TO ENACT A AN EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE. OUR STUDENTS WERE NOT BEING ASSIGNED IMMEDIATELY TO RDAP FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE.

THIS, HOWEVER, DOES REMOVE THE MANDATORY HDAP PLACEMENT FOR THAT. AND IT DOES SAY THAT THE MINIMUM PLACEMENT FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE IS TEN DAYS. IN ES. WHAT WE WERE DOING THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WAS ONE DAY IN ES, ONE DAY OF SATURDAY DETENTION, AND THAT ALSO INCLUDED AN ANTI VAPING COURSE THAT THE STUDENTS HAD TO COMPLETE. AND SO THIS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT ANTI-VAPING CURRICULUM AND ROLL IT INTO THEIR ES TIME WHILE THEY'RE THERE FOR THOSE TEN DAYS. AND AGAIN REMEMBER THIS IS ON THE FIRST OFFENSE. UNDERSTAND THAT IF THEY ARE SELLING DELIVERING PASSING OUT THESE THESE DEVICES ON CAMPUS, THAT IS STILL A MANDATORY DAP PLACEMENT AS IT HAS BEEN FOR US TO THIS POINT. MADAM CAPITO, I'M SORRY, I'M GOING TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS STILL IS INCLUDING REGULAR TOBACCO, BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY IS SMOKING A CIGARETTE, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN IF THEY HAVE A VAPE. THEY'RE JUST USING A DIFFERENT FORM OF IT. AND I THINK, DOCTOR BUCKLEY, THAT WE ADDED THAT LAST TIME, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AND IF IT'S NOT, AND I NEVER REALLY CHECKED IT. SO I SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY DONE THAT BECAUSE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO ME, THAT THERE'S NO REASON THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT A KID WHO'S SMOKING A CIGARETTE DOESN'T GET IT. WE'RE JUST GOING TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO SWITCH. AND SO PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS INCLUDED. NOTED MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. SO JUST SO FOR CLARITY, OUR POLICY NOW. FIRST OFFENSE IS ONE DAY ES. SO THAT'S GOING AWAY. AND WE'RE GOING TO JUST HAVE THE TEN DAY. SO WE NO LONGER QUALIFY UNDER THE PROGRAM OF INNOVATION.

YES YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. THAT WAS ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS LEGISLATION. OKAY. REMOVAL FOR SERIOUS OFFENSES. SO SERIOUS OFFENSES THAT OCCUR OFF CAMPUS AND UNRELATED TO SCHOOL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS DEADLY CONDUCT, DISORDERLY CONDUCT WITH A FIREARM AND UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF A WEAPON, THESE ARE NOW GOING TO FLOW INTO THE MANDATORY PLACEMENT. THEY WERE DISCRETIONARY BEFORE AND THEY ARE NOW GOING TO BE MANDATORY PLACEMENT, DAP OR POSSIBLE EXPULSION FOR THOSE OFFENSES. OKAY. AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO MOVING FORWARD IS MAKE SURE THAT THE STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT DOES REFLECT THESE OFFENSES. AND THAT LEVEL OF PLACEMENT QUESTIONS. THIS IS SIMILAR. IT EXPANDS THE MANDATORY EXPULSION

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LOCAL AUTHORITIES. HOW DO WE KNOW ABOUT THEM AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT? WE GET A NOTIFICATION FROM THE FROM THAT AGENCY, WHETHER IT BE BELL COUNTY. WE GET A NOTIFICATION THAT THAT THAT'S THAT PART. THAT KID HAD BEEN PLACED INTO CUSTODY FOR THAT OFFENSE AND WHAT THE CHARGES ARE. AND THEN WE TAKE ACTION FROM THERE. THAT'S ALREADY BEEN OCCURRING. THANK YOU. MR. MINTZ. JUST A QUESTION. AND, MR. HARPER, MAYBE YOU MIGHT BE BETTER. WHAT IF WHAT IF THEY'RE JUST CHARGED WITH IT OR ARRESTED FOR IT? DOES THAT TRIGGER ANYTHING, OR IS IT A CONVICTION? IS IT REASONABLE BELIEF THAT IT OCCURRED? WHERE DOES THAT LINE GET DRAWN? BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T EXPEL A KID AND THEN FIND OUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND THEN WE'VE GOT TO KIND OF PUT THE TOOTHPASTE BACK IN THE TUBE. MAYBE YOU WERE NOTIFIED BY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THROUGH OUR CHIEF OF POLICE, AND IT'S A 1527 MEMORANDUM LETTING US KNOW OF AN ARREST OR AN ADJUDICATION. AND SO IT IS AN ARREST. AND SO MR. RUSHTON MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY IN THE PAST IF THERE'S BEEN ARREST FOR SOME FOR CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING OR OTHER, AND THE STUDENT IS GIVEN, MAYBE IT'S A MANDATORY DAP PLACEMENT FOR THAT ARREST, IF CHARGES ARE DROPPED OR THAT SORT OF THING. IT'S CERTAINLY TAKEN UNDER ACCOUNT.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE RELEASED OR THE CHARGES ARE DROPPED, THEN THEY'RE REMOVED FROM THAT. THEY LOOK AT THAT AGAIN AT THAT POINT. THAT'S CORRECT. ONE BACKWARDS. OKAY.

CAN I I'M SORRY. ABSOLUTELY. OPEN PANDORA'S BOX A LITTLE BIT HERE PLEASE. THAT SPECIFIC CHANGE IS RELATED TO WHETHER IT'S MANDATORY OR DISCRETIONARY, RIGHT. WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THE ABILITY TO MAKE A DISCRETIONARY PLACEMENT REGARDLESS. AND IN THE WORLD OF ACCOUNTABILITY AS IT RELATES TO WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO OR WHAT WE'RE JUST WE'RE GOING TO DO, THIS BECOMES AN ISSUE AS WE TRACK FOR PIPELINE TO PRISON DOCUMENTATION, ANY TYPE OF CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS COMING DOWN THE PIKE WHEN YOUR DATA STARTS GETTING SKEWED TOWARDS DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS. AND SO WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO DO IT, BUT NOW IT'S MANDATORY THAT WE DO IT. AND I KNOW I HAD LEANED INTO TO TALK TO SAY TO BRENDA, CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS WAS EVEN A DISCRETIONARY CONCERN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TYPE OF OFFENSES? AND SO THROUGH THIS LEGISLATION, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, I THINK, GAIN SOME TRACTION FROM, FROM, FROM THE WORLD OF PUBLIC EDUCATION TO SAY THESE ARE NOT OKAY ANYWHERE. AND THIS IS A MANDATORY PIECE THAT WE MUST MOVE FORWARD WITH. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. I GUESS IT JUST PROVIDES LEGAL PROTECTION FOR THE DISTRICT. IT'S MORE MORE SO THAN ANYTHING ELSE. IT JUST TAKES THAT DECISION OUT OF YOUR HANDS SO YOU'RE NOT HELD LIABLE FOR IT. OKAY. OKAY. THE NEXT THIS IS A NEW PIECE FOR US. THE VIRTUAL DISCIPLINARY PLACEMENT OPTION. THIS ALLOWS US FOR ANY STUDENT THAT IS BEING EXPELLED PLACED AT J, J P THE FIRST BULLET THERE THAT NO JJ IS AVAILABLE. THOSE ARE FOR SMALLER RURAL DISTRICTS THAT MAY NOT HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH WITH A WITH AN AGENCY TO PROVIDE THAT. THAT'S NOT US. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A GOOD MOU IN GOOD STANDING WITH BELL COUNTY. SO THE SECOND BULLET IS REALLY WHERE WE WHERE WE GO WITH THIS. IF JJ P DENIES THE PLACEMENT, THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE EXPULSION PROCESS AND THEY'VE BEEN BY KISD PLACED AND JJ P FOR SOME REASON DENIES THEIR ENROLLMENT OR THEY ENROLL THEM AND THEN SEND THEM BACK TO US EARLY BEFORE THEY'VE COMPLETED THEIR DAYS. WE HAVE THE ABILITY NOW TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT STUDENT'S NOT GOING TO GO BACK TO THE A P IN PERSON. THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO BE EDUCATED THROUGH A VIRTUAL CLASS. IT DOES REQUIRE THAT THE TEACHER, WHOEVER'S PROVIDING THAT, THAT WE DO TRAIN THEM IN THAT VIRTUAL EDUCATION PIECE SO THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE

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THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THESE ARE ONLY STUDENTS THAT ARE HAVE BEEN EXPELLED BUT HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO ATTEND AT JJ, AND THAT AND IT'LL SHOW IN THE WHETHER IT'S IN TEAMS OR HOWEVER WE'RE TRACKING IT THAT IT EVEN SO DAP IS REALLY JUST KIND OF THE EXECUTION ARM OF THIS. IT WILL STILL SHOW THAT THE KID WAS IN JJ P YES. RIGHT. OKAY. YES. ONE ONE PIECE OF NOTE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT IF WE DO IMPLEMENT THIS IS WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STUDENT DOES HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY RESOURCES AND THE INTERNET ACCESS AT HOME TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS. THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S PROVIDED. THIS IS THE DOY EXEMPTION. WE DID HAVE SOME EXEMPTIONS BECAUSE WE ARE A DISTRICT OF INNOVATION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO EMPLOY. THOSE ARE NO LONGER A PART. ONE OF THE BIG ONES THAT WE DID WAS THE VAPING RULE, THE VAPING EXEMPTION. WE NOW FLOW INTO ALL THE CHAPTER 37 PIECES WITHOUT ANY EXCEPTIONS THERE. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. BUT NOW THAT SHOULD MAKE SENSE ON THE OTHER PIECE. THIS ONE AS AGAIN, THIS IS ONE I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH. AND WE'LL TALK MORE WITH DOCTOR LARSEN ABOUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOOD. IN THE PAST, A STUDENT THAT WAS BEING SERVED IN SPECIAL EDUCATION THAT WAS HAD FOUND TO BE BULLYING OR HARASSING OR MAKING A HIT LIST. THOSE ARE THREE THAT HAVE THREE, THE BIG ONES THAT THEY THAT THEY LISTED HERE BEFORE THAT STUDENT COULD RECEIVE ANY DISCIPLINARY CONSEQUENCES. WE HAD TO GO TO OUR OR HAVE AN IEP COMMITTEE MEETING, DETERMINE THAT EVERYTHING WAS APPROPRIATE, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH DISCIPLINARY CONSEQUENCES. THIS MEANS THAT A STUDENT THAT WAS SPECIAL EDUCATION THAT WAS FOUND TO BE BULLYING ANOTHER STUDENT, COULD NOT BE PLACED IN ES, COULD NOT BE OSS. HE WAS HE OR SHE WAS GOING TO BE BACK IN THEIR REGULAR CLASSES THE NEXT DAY WHILE ALL OF THIS WAS TAKING PLACE. AND WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THE TIMELINE OF THAT COULD CAUSE SOME ISSUES BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PREPARE THE IEP MEETING.

YOU HAVE TO BRING THAT BRING THAT TOGETHER, COLLECT THE DATA. YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE PARENT FIVE DAYS NOTICE FOR THE MEETING. SO THERE IS AN INHERENT TIMELINE THAT'S THERE THAT WOULD BE IN THE WAY OF THIS STUDENT CONTINUING TO ATTEND REGULAR CLASSES. WE NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLACE THAT STUDENT AND A DRESS THAT WITH THOSE THOSE CONSEQUENCES, AGAIN, WHILE WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THAT SPECIAL EDUCATION PROCESS, I DON'T THINK IT I DON'T THINK IT CIRCUMVENTS OR GETS IN THE WAY OR STOPS US FROM DOING THOSE THINGS. I THINK THAT BEST PRACTICE IS THAT YOU STILL MOVE FORWARD IN THAT PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE THINGS ARE APPROPRIATE.

WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. IF THE STUDENT IS MOVING FORWARD FOR A TERM, A PLACEMENT, GOING TO THE AP, THEN THAT MDR OR MDR WOULD STILL BE IN PLACE AT THAT TIME. IT JUST BRINGS US BACK IN LINE WITH THE FEDERAL LAW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE COMPLIANT. ALL I'M GOING TO ASK IS THAT IT GOES IN WRITING SOMEWHERE THAT THE PRINCIPAL, BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THERE'S GOING TO BE A DISCONNECT ON CAMPUSES. IF A PRINCIPAL HAS A DISCIPLINARY ACTION, THE SPECIAL ED TEAM DOES NOT KNOW THAT. AND IF THAT CHILD IS ON A BIP OR THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE GOING ON THAT CAN WE PUT IN THIS PROCESS THAT SPECIAL ED IS NOTIFIED? OBVIOUSLY, IT'S GREAT THAT WE CAN DO SOME OF THIS. THAT'S TOO LONG OF A DELAYED REACTION WHEN YOU HAVE TO GIVE OUR NOTICES AND ALL THAT. BUT IF THE SPECIAL ED TEAM IS NOT AWARE OF IT, AND THEN THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE DONE A REVISION FOR A BIP, OR WE SHOULD HAVE DONE SOME TYPE OF A REVISION ARD BECAUSE IT IS LINKED OR IT IS ALREADY IN THE IEP AND DOCUMENTED. WE WOULD WANT TO DO SOMETHING. SO I JUST WANT SPED TO BE NOTIFIED AND THAT IT'S IN WRITING TO PRINCIPALS. YES, PLEASE TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUE BUT NOTIFY SPED THAT THIS HAS OCCURRED SO THAT WE'RE TRACKING APPROPRIATELY. ABSOLUTELY. GOOD. OKAY. WE NOW HAVE THE ABILITY FOR TEACHERS TO REMOVE A STUDENT FOR REPEATED CLASSROOM DISRUPTION, UNRULY DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR TOWARDS OTHERS, AND BULLYING. THE STUDENT IS NOT ABLE TO RETURN TO THAT CLASS WITHOUT ONE OF TWO THINGS HAPPENING. THE TEACHER EITHER CONSENTING TO THAT RETURN OR A RETURN TO CLASS PLAN BEING DEVELOPED AND PUT IN PLACE. THIS BRINGS IN THAT CAMPUS BEHAVIOR

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COULD BE SCHEDULED THINGS. IT COULD BE WHATEVER. BUT THAT TEACHER, WHEN WE DID IT BEFORE, WAS REQUIRED TO BE A PART OF THE COMMITTEE WITH THE PRINCIPAL. SO THAT'S THE STRUCTURE THAT I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD HAVE THAT WOULD HELP MEET WHAT YOU JUST SAID. THANK YOU, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. TO MR. MINTZ POINT EARLIER. AND IT WAS HOW MANY TIMES CAN A STUDENT BE REMOVED FROM THE CLASSROOM AND BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH. AND IF WE MOVE JOHNNY ACROSS THE HALLWAY TO MR. JONES'S CLASS, HE'S THERE FOR TWO DAYS, THEN WE MOVE HIM BACK TO THE TEACHER'S CLASS. AND THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEK, WE MOVE HIM BACK TO MR. JONES'S CLASS, OR WE MOVE HIM TO MISS SMITH'S CLASS. HOW DO I MEAN, HOW DO WE CONTROL THAT? AND AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY THIS DOESN'T WORK? AND WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES TO MOVING THEM TO ANOTHER CLASSROOM AS OPPOSED TO A DIFFERENT SETTING? WOULD THAT NOT FALL UNDER SERIOUS OFFENSES BECAUSE IT'S WRITTEN HERE, REMOVAL FOR SERIOUS. SO THE REPEATED REPETITIOUS BEHAVIOR, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. SO WE GO WITH THAT IS WHAT I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD DO.

WELL, A CHAPTER 37 TEACHER REMOVAL IS A EXTREME CONSEQUENCE AS A NEXT STEP FOR SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED WITHIN THE CLASSROOM. SO IT IS UNUSUAL FOR THIS TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE FIRST PLACE. BUT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PUTTING THE STUDENT AND THE TEACHER AND ALL THE OTHER STUDENTS IN THE BEST ENVIRONMENT POSSIBLE. WE EXERCISE A LOT OF OPTIONS, WHETHER IT BE ANOTHER CLASSROOM TEACHER THAT CAN PROVIDE SIMILAR OR THE EXACT SAME INSTRUCTION.

CHANGING THE SCHEDULE. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SECONDARY LEVEL, WE'VE EVEN IT'S EVEN BEEN NECESSARY IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR IN MY TIME, WHERE WE'VE HAD TO TRANSFER THE STUDENT TO ANOTHER SCHOOL. BUT WE DO ALWAYS SEEK TO FIND THE BEST WIN WIN SITUATION, REGARDLESS OF THE CONSEQUENCE OR THE MISTAKE THAT'S HAPPENED WITH THAT STUDENT, AND THEN ERRING ON THE SIDE OF MAKING SURE THAT EDUCATIONAL PROCESS IS STILL HAPPENING. REGARDLESS OF THAT BEHAVIOR, THE MOST IMMEDIATE

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SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN AN ADMINISTRATIVE CONSEQUENCE FOR SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE HALLWAY. THIS IS THE TEACHER UTILIZING THEIR AUTONOMY AND AUTHORITY TO REQUEST A WHAT WE WOULD CALL A CHAPTER 37 REMOVAL. AND THE CAMPUS TAKING THE STEPS TO RESPOND TO THAT PROCESS, ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S BEEN ADDED IN THIS SCENARIO, BECAUSE TO MISS ADAM'S POINT, THIS IS NOT NEW NECESSARILY. IT'S THE RETURN TO CLASS PLAN BEING REQUIRED THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NEW. THANK YOU, MR. MINTZ. AS I LOOK BACK, IT SEEMS THAT THE PROVISIONS UNDER REPEATED DISRUPTION OF THE CLASSROOM, WHICH ALLOWS FOR SUSPENSION OF STUDENTS AT ANY AGE WHO ROUTINELY ENGAGE IN REPEATED OR SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTIONS. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE GOVERNING. AT LEAST WE WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD HAPPEN BEFORE WE COME TO THIS, TO THIS SECOND PART. RIGHT? SO THIS IS CORRECT BECAUSE IF WE ARE NOT RESPONDING ADMINISTRATIVELY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE TEACHER IN A WAY THAT MEETS HIS OR HER NEEDS, THIS IS THEIR RIGHT. BUT THE IDEAL SCENARIO WOULD BE THAT WE HAVE RESPONDED ADMINISTRATIVELY WITH THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO INITIATE A CONSEQUENCE THAT EXISTS. SO, SO AND I THINK THAT'S AND THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. SO THAT IS THAT'S A SUPER IMPORTANT DISTINCTION IS THAT NORMALLY AND JUST SO FOLKS LISTENING I THINK CAN UNDERSTAND IT LIKE THAT.

THIS IS NORMALLY WE CAN JUST SUSPEND A KID FOR REPEATED OR SIGNIFICANT. BUT THIS IS THE TEACHERS THE TEACHERS RED HANDLE TO PULL. IT'S THEIR RIGHT TO REQUEST THIS STUDENT BE GONE BECAUSE OF X, Y, AND Z. EVEN IF THE ADMINISTRATION HAS FAILED TO ACT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

AND THAT'S WHEN WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE TEACHER VOICE SHOWING UP IN THIS LEGISLATION.

I THINK THERE'S A THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. HERE'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE CAMPUS BEHAVIOR COORDINATOR, THE CBC. AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY THAT IN KILLEEN ISD, WE ALREADY DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF THIS. IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBSITE, THERE IS A THE KSD WEBSITE.

THERE'S A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF THE CBCS IN THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION PER CAMPUS AND THEN ON EACH CAMPUSES WEBSITE. THEY'RE ALSO DELINEATED THERE AS WELL. SO WE ALREADY DO A GOOD JOB OF DOING THIS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT THEY DID PUT INTO THIS PIECE WAS THAT IT HAS TO BE AN ADMINISTRATOR, CANNOT BE A CLASSROOM TEACHER, NOT SOMETHING WE'VE EVER DONE. I COULD SEE IT BEING DONE, MAYBE SOME SMALLER DISTRICTS, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS AN ISSUE. AND SO IT HAD TO BE DEFINED HERE. THERE ARE SOME FURTHER DEFINED REQUIREMENTS OF THE CBC OF THIS POSITION, SPECIFICALLY WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT TERRORISTIC THREAT, UNLAWFUL CARRYING, CARRYING A PROHIBITED WEAPON, OR THREATS OR USE OF A FIREARM. THOSE THINGS NOW HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE TO THE THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM. AND SO WE GO THROUGH WE HAVE A THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM THAT WILL TAKE A LOOK AND GATHER ALL THE DATA TO DETERMINE THAT STUDENT'S SITUATION AND THEIR THEIR PLACEMENT HERE WITHIN THE DISTRICT. MR. WILES, SO THAT CAMPUS BEHAVIOR COORDINATOR, WHO IS THAT? IS THAT A NEW POSITION, OR ARE WE NOW GIVING DUTIES TO AN EXISTING EMPLOYEE? NO, IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN A PART OF OUR ASSIGNMENTS TO THIS POINT. TYPICALLY IT'S AN ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL. AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS LIKE TESTING COORDINATOR, LIKE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO ON A DAILY BASIS, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO. SO IT'S BUT WE'VE NEVER CALLED IT THAT. NO, IT HAS BEEN IT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS A CBC. YES. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING WHEN I, WHEN I WENT THROUGH IT, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER HEARD THAT TERM IN A PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD. NOW, I KNEW THAT DISCIPLINE WAS HANDLED BY AN AP. SO THEY STILL HAVE OTHER DUTIES. THEY DON'T JUST HANDLE DISCIPLINE. THE CBC IS A LITTLE BIT ELEVATED ABOVE JUST BEING THE DISCIPLINARY AP. THEY ALL DO THAT WORK. THIS IS THE SPECIFIC PERSON ON THAT CAMPUS THAT IS IN THERE EMPLOYED TO GATHER THAT DISCIPLINARY DATA. THEY'RE GOING TO ATTEND REGULAR MEETINGS WITH US TO ENSURE WE'RE GOING TO TRACK THEIR DATA ON THEIR CAMPUS. SO THEY'RE KIND OF THE THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY'RE IN THERE IN THE DAILY TRENCHES WITH THE DISCIPLINE AND WHAT THOSE STUDENTS. BUT THEN THEY'RE ALSO GATHERING THE DATA FOR TRENDS AND ANY CHANGES THAT WE NEED THERE. WHAT ELSE DO THEY DO OTHER THAN DISCIPLINE. AND THAT

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SO THIS IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING AS A SPECIFIC POSITION. THAT IS DISCIPLINE ONLY. THIS IS A RESPONSIBILITY OF ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATORS THAT DOES DISCIPLINE. SEE I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT WHEN I SAY THAT. BECAUSE SEE WHEN YOU WHEN THIS IS LISTED, WHEN I GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION I'M GOING, OH MAN. THAT'S THAT'S A NEW POSITION. SEE. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE THE CAMPUS BEHAVIOR COORDINATOR, YOU KNOW HOW I DETERMINE THAT? I WANT TO SEE YOUR BUSINESS CARD, AND I WANT TO KNOW IF YOUR BUSINESS CARD SAYS CAMPUS BEHAVIOR COORDINATOR, BECAUSE IF IT SAYS ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL, THAT'S JUST ME. BECAUSE I WANT TO OUTWARDLY NOT JUST SHOW, BUT LET THE PUBLIC FEEL HOW SERIOUS WE ARE ABOUT SAFETY IN YOUR CONDUCT.

AND I'M JUST SAYING, I'VE HEARD OVER AND OVER FROM ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS AND ASSISTANT, I CAN'T DO MY JOB BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IS THIS A NEW JOB? THEY'RE SAYING I CAN'T DO MY JOB BECAUSE ALL I DO IS DEAL WITH DISCIPLINE. AND SO TO ME, I DON'T THINK WE'VE REALLY ADDRESSED THAT. BUT I'M GOING TO JUST SAY AS A TRUSTEE, I DON'T I JUST WANT TO SEE MORE ADHERENCE TO DISCIPLINE POLICIES THAT RESULT IN REDUCED INCIDENCES OF DISCIPLINE. AND I'LL TRUST YOU ALL TO FIGURE IT OUT. BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT BE A POSITION THAT THAT'S ALL THEY DO NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COSTS, BUT IF IT KEEPS PEOPLE SAFE, I'M FOR IT. THAT'S MY SAFETY SOAPBOX.

MADAM CAPITO, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THIS ALL THE CBCS MEET WITH YOU REGULARLY. I'M SORRY TO BEAT THIS DEAD HORSE, BUT IS THERE A SPED REP ON THAT THAT'S COMING IN AND TALKING SO THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT IF ANY OF THESE TRENDS ARE OCCURRING, OR THAT WE SHOULD BE RTI IN THESE KIDS OR THAT WE ARE TRACKING, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE IDENTIFIED AS A 504 OR A SPECIAL ED KID, BECAUSE THAT'S WONDERFUL. YOU GUYS ARE MEETING AND DOING ALL OF THIS, BUT IS THERE A SPED REP THAT'S THERE REPRESENTING I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY IN THE LAST YEAR, THE DCC MEETINGS OR THE DISCIPLINE CONDUCT COMMITTEE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF BRINGING TOGETHER A DIVERSE COMMITTEE OF PEOPLE TO INCLUDE SPECIAL EDUCATION IN CONNECTION WITH ADMINISTRATION, ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES SUCH AS ATTENDANCE, REGISTRATION, DISCIPLINE AND ANYTHING IN THE STUDENT SERVICES DIVISION. SO YES, MA'AM, THE ANSWER IS YES. SORRY. THIS NEXT PIECE IS NEW AS WELL. WE HAVE THE ABILITY NOW TO CREATE A POLICY AS A DISTRICT FOR A PARENTAL BEHAVIORAL AGREEMENT.

THIS IS FOR STUDENTS BEING ASSIGNED TO RDAP. IT WOULD OUTLINE THE PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES AND THE STUDENT BEHAVIORAL EXPECTATIONS AS WELL. FOR STUDENTS BEING ASSIGNED TO RDAP, THIS WOULD BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS OF ENROLLMENT AT RDAP AFTER THEY'VE BEEN PLACED.

AGAIN, THE THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN ADOPT OR NOT. AND WE'LL TALK. WE'LL THERE'S A NOTE AT THE END ABOUT THAT PIECE, BUT THE PARENTS HAVE THE OPTION OF PARTICIPATING IN THIS AS WELL.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE A I'LL SAY PROGRAM. THE ABILITY ONCE A STUDENT HAS REACHED THE 80%

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PRACTICE IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER. ABSOLUTELY. ONE THING TO POINT OUT, IF I MAY, THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS OUTLINED IN HOUSE BILL SIX. THAT IS THE BOARD'S DIRECT AUTHORITY, BECAUSE IT IS OUTLINED AS A POLICY. WHAT WE UNDERSTAND AT THIS TIME IS THAT THERE WILL BE A MODEL PARENT AGREEMENT DEVELOPED BY THE TEXAS EDUCATION AGENCY THAT WILL BE PROVIDED, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT 3 TO 4 WEEKS BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS. WE WILL TAKE THAT MODEL AND LOCALIZE IT AND THEN BRING IT AS A RECOMMENDATION. AT THIS TIME, IT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT POLICY THAT GETS ADOPTED AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD REPLACE OUR CURRENT PRACTICES RELATED TO RETURNING EARLY FROM A PLACEMENT. SO THIS WILL COME BACK. WE'LL BRING IT BACK, IDEALLY ALIGNED WITH OUR STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT AND WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR THE POLICY ON THE PARENT AGREEMENT PROCESS, MR. MINTZ. SO IF IT COMES BACK, I WOULD VOTE NO. HERE'S WHY THIS IS MAY DEVELOP A POLICY. SO MY QUESTION IS AND IT'S SOMEWHAT RHETORICAL.

SO WHEN DOES THE PARENT SIGN A BEHAVIOR AGREEMENT? WHEN THE KID GETS KICKED OUT OF CLASS THE FIRST TIME. WHEN DOES THE PARENT SIGN A BEHAVIORAL AGREEMENT? WHEN THE KID GETS KICKED OUT OF CLASS THE SECOND TIME. WHEN DOES THE PARENT SIGN A BEHAVIORAL AGREEMENT? THE FIRST TIME THE KID GOES TO IN-SCHOOL OR OUT OF SCHOOL SUSPENSION. YOU ALL SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT I'VE SAID ABOUT DAPDAP IS THE END OF THE LINE. LIKE, IF A PARENT AIN'T GOING TO GET ENGAGED IN EVERYTHING LEADING UP TO DAP, WHY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH WOULD WE LET THEM SAY, OH, NOW, NOW, BECAUSE IT'S INCONVENIENT FOR ME. AM I GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS HOGWASH? I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THIS. THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA. AND IF THE 80% RULE IS MY GOING INTO MY FOURTH YEAR ON THE BOARD, I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT THAT. I WILL VOTE.

PLEASE MAKE A NOTE. REMOVE THAT AS WELL. YOU GO TO DAP, THAT'S IT. CHANCES ARE OUT YOU DO THE FULL TIME. END OF DISCUSSION. THAT'S MY $0.02. DEFINITELY NOTED. SIR, IF WE IF THE BOARD DECIDES NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE POLICY TO YOUR POINT, IT IS THE BOARD MAY CREATE A POLICY.

IT IS DEFINITELY NECESSARY IN THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR THAT ARE PRACTICE RELATED TO EARLY RETURN, CLEAN, BE CLEANED UP, BE CLEAR, AND THEN BE EXECUTED WITH FIDELITY 100% OF THE TIME AND ALL PLACEMENT SCENARIOS. SO WHILE WE MAY NOT BRING THAT BACK OR DECIDE ON A POLICY, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO PROCEDURALLY IMPROVE IN THAT AREA. THERE'S BEEN A PIECE ADDED FOR THE TELEHEALTH, TELEMEDICINE, MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, AND THAT WILL BE PROVIDED VIA THE TEXAS CHILD MENTAL HEALTH CARE CONSORTIUM. THIS THERE'S A LITTLE BIT WE'VE GOT STILL GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THIS BECAUSE OF THE FUNDING PIECE OF THIS. IT'S SUPPOSED TO COME FROM THE TEXAS CHILD MENTAL HEALTH CONSORTIUM. HOW THIS IS DEVELOPED AND WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE WE'LL BRING BACK. BUT THE AVAILABILITY TO OUR KIDS TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THESE SERVICES THROUGH THAT, WITH THE AVAILABLE FUNDING IS IMPORTANT. QUESTIONS. SO THIS IS ANOTHER PIECE OF THAT EMERGENCY REMOVAL. NOW THE PRINCIPALS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO. REMOVE OR OR OR MOVE A STUDENT TO AN EMERGENCY REMOVAL OR EXPULSION. SO DAP OR EXPULSION BASED ON A SINGLE BEHAVIOR INCIDENT.

OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO HAVE OVERSIGHT IN THIS AND CLEAR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE

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THIS NOW IS GOING TO BE THE DETERMINATION OF THE PRINCIPAL TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. THIS IS THIS IS A VERY SMALL, SEVERE CASE SITUATION, I WOULD SAY, AND SHOULD NOT BE REGULAR PRACTICE TO CIRCUMVENT OUR DUE PROCESS FOR OUR KIDS, BUT IT IS MADE AVAILABLE WHEN NECESSARY. MR. AND MR. WELLS, I WOULD JUST ADD KIND OF THE SAME THING THAT I'VE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES.

LET'S AND I SEE MISS MISS FELDER SAYING WRITING SOMETHING DOWN, LET'S MAKE SURE WHAT I AGAIN AND I THINK DOCTOR OSBORNE TALKED ABOUT IT OR ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES MIGHT HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT LIKE UNIFORMITY. YES. AND I ALSO THINK IF WE LIST A COUPLE OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, A SERIOUS A SINGLE BEHAVIORAL INCIDENT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF EMERGENCY REMOVAL WHEN A, B, C, D FACTORS FOR THEM TO CONSIDER. SO IT CREATES A UNIFORM DECISION MAKING UNIFORM AS AS MUCH AS WE CAN GET OUTCOMES. BUT IT ALSO PROTECTS US. IT ALLOWS TEACHERS OR PRINCIPALS TO SAY LOOK, HERE'S WHAT THE POLICY WAS. AND I EVALUATED BASED ON WHAT THE POLICY WAS, OKAY? SO IT GIVES IT I THINK IT PROTECTS KIDS. IT PROTECTS THE DISTRICT. I THINK IT DOES ALL OF THE ABOVE. YES, SIR. MADAM CAPITO, MR. BELDER, YOU MADE A TWO SHEET LIKE DISCIPLINARY KIND OF LETTING PARENTS KNOW. WILL WE BE UPDATING ALL OF THAT? BECAUSE, I MEAN, THAT WAS A GREAT VISUAL, I THINK, FOR PEOPLE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHEN TO LOOP BACK AROUND AND AFTER THEY'VE HAD INCIDENCES. ARE WE USING THAT? IS THAT. YES, MA'AM. THAT'S GOING TO BE UPDATED FOR EACH OF THE LEVELS BASED ON THE UPDATES IN THE STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT AND FROM THE LEGISLATOR. OKAY.

BECAUSE THAT WAS A GREAT VISUAL, MR. MINTZ. MR. WILSON AND I WANT TO GO JUST BACK TO THE PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT AND STUDENT DISCIPLINE. YOU CAN TELL I FEEL KIND OF STRONGLY ABOUT IT. I ALMOST THINK AND I WOULD AGAIN, JUST SUBMIT IT AS INPUT FOR THE COMMITTEE AS YOU REVAMP THE STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT, LIKE I WOULD PUT IN THERE SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT THIS DISTRICT DOES NOT PERMIT PARENT INPUT AFTER PLACEMENT IN DAP. THIS DISTRICT EXPECTS THAT PARENTS WILL, YOU KNOW, TAKE PROPER MEASURES, WHATEVER YOU KNOW. RIGHT. IT BETTER THAN I'M SAYING IT. BUT BUT BUT SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT YOU KNOW WE EXPECT PARENTS. WE HAVE HIGHER EXPECTATIONS IN THIS DISTRICT OF OUR PARENTS. ABSOLUTELY. I AGREE, MR. MINTZ, ON THAT ONE.

AND TO HELP DOCTOR OUT, THOSE ARE SOME PRETTY STRONG STATEMENTS. BUT, YOU KNOW, POLICY OF COURSE IS APPROVED BY THE BOARD. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON, YOU KNOW, THAT APPROACH, THE 80% RULE. SOME OTHER PEOPLE I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM MAY HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, BUT TWO ARE MISSING. SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. TRUSTEES, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET CLEAR DIRECTION. AND I MEAN, IF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH MR. WHAT MR. MINTZ IS SAYING, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE ARTICULATING THAT TO THE SUPERINTENDENT. SO SHE'S TRYING TO GET THESE POLICIES ACROSS THE FINISH LINE, AND THEY'RE DOING ALL THE WORK. THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE SPENDING A BUNCH OF TIME THAT WE COME IN HERE AND WE GO, WE JUST SPENT FIVE HOURS WORKING ON THIS, AND THEY COME IN AND THEY STONEWALL. MR. MINTZ RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WE WANT TO BE EFFICIENT. SO, DOCTOR FAY, MAKE SURE YOU MAKE US GIVE YOU THAT CLEAR DIRECTION. I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE DO THAT. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOU HAVE THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT KIND OF, MR. MINTZ, THAT REALLY ALIGNS WITH WHERE DOCTOR OSBORN AND I MOST RECENTLY BROUGHT SOME CONCERNS ABOUT APPEAL PROCESSES. YOUR VISION ALIGNS VERY MUCH MORE SO WITH OUR VISION OF WHAT AND HOW THAT SHOULD WORK. AND SO WHETHER WE PUT IT ON A DOCUMENT OR NOT, IT DEFINITELY ALIGNS WITH OUR VISION FOR THE FUTURE OF KSD. BUT JUST MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I KNOW MR. MINTZ IS SAYING THAT AND THAT YOU AND DOCTOR OSBORN AGREE WITH THAT. BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT A MAJORITY OF THE TRUSTEES AGREE WITH THAT. AND SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO THAT. WELL, UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS TO PRESENT SOME OF THESE CHANGES BEFORE WE BRING YOU THE STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT. SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE INFORMATION YOU'RE GIVING US TODAY. AS WE WORK THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS HERE. IN JUST A MOMENT YOU'LL SEE THAT. BUT ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU SEE THERE THAT ONE OF THE KEY POINTS FROM THIS WAS A STATEMENT OF WHETHER THE BOARD HAS ADOPTED POLICY ON PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT AND DISCIPLINARY BEHAVIOR AGREEMENT. SO WE HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE STATING WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT. AND HERE IT WAS, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. OR AS A DISTRICT, WE'RE NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THIS AND WE DON'T HAVE THIS AS A PROCESS. SO IT HAS TO BE THERE.

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DOES THAT MEAN OUR I'M GOING TO SAY CHAPTER 21 LIKE OUR OUR TEACHERS VERSUS OUR BUS DRIVERS.

RIGHT. SO AS I READ THAT, WHAT THAT'S WHAT THAT'S TELLING ME, AT LEAST IN THE THOMPSON HORTON, IS THAT OUR TEACHERS ARE PROTECTED, BUT THAT OUR PARAPROFESSIONALS ARE NOT.

THAT'S TO ME, I DON'T I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THOSE PROTECTIONS EXTENDED TO BOTH TO EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S DONE IN GOOD FAITH. WE DON'T CERTAINLY WANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT. AND WE WANT TO PROTECT THOSE PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY DESERVE OUR PROTECTION, THE PROTECTION OF THE LAW AS WELL. SO WE NEED TO GET SOME CLARITY ON THAT. DIG INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT, CLARITY ON THAT. I THINK THIS REFERS DIRECTLY BACK TO THE CLASSROOM TEACHERS ABILITY TO REMOVE THE STUDENT FROM THE CLASSROOM, AND THAT WOULD BE THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF MEMBER, THAT PROFESSIONAL EMPLOYEE AT THIS POINT, A PARAPROFESSIONAL, GIVEN WHAT WE'VE SEEN HERE, I DON'T BELIEVE HAS THE ABILITY TO REMOVE THAT STUDENT. SO THEY WOULDN'T NEED THE PROTECTION UNDER THIS. LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE'LL GET CLARITY ON THE LAW. THE LAW SAYS BECAUSE WHAT IS ALL SUMMARIZED CORRECT.

YEAH. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE AVAILABLE SUPPLEMENTAL SPECIAL EDUCATION FUNDS TO BE USED FOR CRISIS PREVENTION AND INTERVENTION TRAINING FOR A STUDENT'S PARENT OR GUARDIAN. WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF WE NEED SOME CLARITY ON THIS. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK FOR LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US, AND WHERE DOES THAT FUNDING, WHERE'S THAT FUNDING GOING TO COME FROM? DON'T HAVE ALL THOSE ANSWERS YET, BUT I WANTED TO PUT IT THERE BECAUSE IT IS A KEY POINT IN THAT LEGISLATIVE LEGISLATION.

THIS BRINGS US TO THE NEXT STEPS. SO FIRST WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE OUR STUDENT. WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE INFORMATION, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN HERE TODAY. WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE THE HB SIX PROVISIONS. AND WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT. WE ARE ALSO ANXIOUSLY AWAITING A TDSB'S RECOMMENDATIONS. WE NORMALLY GET THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE IT BY THIS TIME, BUT BECAUSE OF THE DELAY IN THE SIGNING OF HB SIX, THEY'VE PUSHED THAT BACK. SO WE NEED TO GET THAT. HOWEVER, WE ALSO UNDERSTAND WE'RE UNDER A TIMELINE HERE, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE BEFORE THE START OF SCHOOL YEAR. WE CAN'T WAIT ON THAT TO COME IN. SO HOPEFULLY IT COMES IN. WE'RE ABLE TO FORTIFY THE CHANGES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ALIGNED. BUT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN THAT WORK.

WE ARE WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN THAT WORK. WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THE UPDATE OR UPDATE THE LOCAL POLICY AND PROCEDURES. SO IF WE COME FORWARD AND WE DO DETERMINE THE BOARD WANTS US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PARENTAL AGREEMENT, WE WILL DEVELOP THAT, BRING IT BACK FOR THAT POLICY APPROVAL. IF THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION, WHAT DOES THAT NEED TO LOOK LIKE AND HOW DOES THAT NEED TO BE STATED IN THE STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT SO THAT WE ARE ALIGNED? WE ARE ALREADY IN CONTACT WITH OUR JJA REPRESENTATIVES FOR THEIR CAPACITIES, PROCESSES. I ALREADY HAVE AN UPCOMING MEETING SCHEDULED WITH THEM TO TALK ABOUT THE MOU AND HOW THIS IMPACTS THAT MOU, IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES NEEDED THERE. SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO STAY ALIGNED. WE ARE DEVELOPING AND BRINGING TOGETHER FOCUS GROUP. WE'RE GOING TO MEET THE WEEK OF JULY 21ST. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR INPUT FROM BOARD MEMBERS, PRINCIPALS, TEACHERS, PARENTS, BEHAVIOR COORDINATORS ON THESE PROPOSED UPDATES. WHAT IS THERE AND WHAT DOES THIS NEED TO LOOK LIKE. AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT IS MEETING THE IDEA

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WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AT 11:52 A.M. OF THIS MEETING. SO THE TIME IS NOW 11:59 A.M. AND WE'RE RETURNING FROM WHAT IS WHAT WAS A SEVEN MINUTE BREAK.

SO WE'RE NOW GOING TO RESUME ON OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY, WHICH IS ITEM G, WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF ALTERNATE DISTRICT HEARING OFFICERS FOR THE 2025 2026 SCHOOL YEAR, SAYS DOCTOR OSBORNE. BUT I SEE MR. WELLS, AND SO WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU AGAIN, SIR. I'M GOING TO DEFER TO MR. RUSHTON, DISTRICT HEARING OFFICER, FOR THIS ONE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. AS YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR WE APPROVE A LIST OF ALTERNATE DISTRICT HEARING OFFICERS TO SERVE THE DISTRICT HEARING OFFICER IN MY ABSENCE, OR IN CASES WHERE AN ALTERNATE DISTRICT HEARING OFFICER IS REQUESTED BY A PARENT, OR WHEN THE HEARING SCHEDULE DICTATES THE NEED FOR MULTIPLE HEARINGS TO OCCUR, THE TWO THAT WE HAVE TO BRING FORWARD ARE CURRENTLY ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS. I'VE ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD DO THIS, AND THEY MORE THAN WILLINGLY SAID YES. AND IT'S SONIA LAGRUE CHAPARRAL. CHAPARRAL. EXCUSE ME. HIGH SCHOOL AND NOEL TAYLOR FOWLER ELEMENTARY. QUESTIONS FROM TRUSTEES. THERE HAVE BEEN NO QUESTIONS. THIS WILL BE PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT'S MY TYPE OF PRESENTATION. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO H. OH, THIS IS GOING TO BE A PRESENTATION RIGHT HERE. DISCUSSION OF SPRING 2025 STATE OF TEXAS ASSESSMENTS OF ACADEMIC READINESS STAR PRELIMINARY RESULTS FOR THE GRADES THREE THROUGH EIGHT AND HIGH SCHOOL END OF COURSE ASSESSMENTS. BEFORE WE START THIS PRESENTATION, I'LL. I'LL LET MR. METZ, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS. MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT THIS THIS ALMOST IS OF SUCH IMPORTANCE THAT THIS SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS SHOULD BE A REGULAR BOARD MEETING ITEM. NOW, THIS IS PRELIMINARY. I SEE IT SAYS PRELIMINARY RESULTS. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THIS AGAIN THEN

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AND THEN IN AUGUST, WE WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION ON THE 19TH. I THINK WE WOULD WANT ALL THE INFORMATION SO WE CAN HAVE A BIG PICTURE. BUT NOW I DON'T WANT TO BE FIVE WEEKS AFTER AUGUST 15TH. SO I'VE GOTTEN BEAT UP WITH EMAILS ABOUT OUR SCORES OR READ A BUNCH OF STORIES IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER, SO IF WE CAN WORK ON THAT. YES, SIR. SO NOTED. OKAY.

THANK YOU DON. OKAY. WE'RE NOW GOING TO MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM I, WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORT FOR THE PERIOD ENDING MAY 31ST, 2025. MISS VADEN, WELCOME.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL VERY BRIEFLY REVIEW OUR QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORT. THIS IS FOR THE PERIOD THAT ENDED MAY 31ST. AS ALWAYS, I LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PUBLIC FUNDS INVESTMENT ACT AND IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR LOCAL BOARD POLICY, CDA OVERALL BALANCES FOR THIS QUARTER INCREASED BY AROUND $14 MILLION. THIS IS JUST A RESULT OF REGULAR OPERATIONS AT THIS POINT IN THE YEAR. THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE DAYS TO MATURITY IS CURRENTLY AT 83 DAYS. AND IF YOU LOOK FURTHER BACK IN YOUR PACKET ON PAGE 65, THERE ARE DETAILS THAT TO

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BUT OVERALL, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE FUNDING WORKS, WE DON'T EXPECT AN OVERALL INCREASE OR DECREASE BASED ON THOSE VALUES. AND THEN YOU SEE THE FEDERAL THERE. SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE LOOKING AT A ESTIMATED AN ESTIMATED REVENUE OF RIGHT AT $490 MILLION. EXPENDITURES.

THESE HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. WE'VE STARTED WITH OUR CURRENT YEAR ADOPTED BUDGET. THE BOTTOM PART OF THIS SLIDE ARE THE REQUIRED RAISES THAT HAVE COME OUT OF HOUSE BILL TWO. YOU SEE THOSE AMOUNTS THERE. AND THEN THE BOTTOM LINE IN THAT SECTION LISTS THE BENEFITS THAT ARE ATTRIBUTABLE TO THOSE REQUIRED RAISES. ANTICIPATED CHANGES. AT THIS POINT WE'VE GOT SAVINGS RELATED TO, AS I MENTIONED, THOSE STAFFING ALLOCATION CHANGES. SOME OF IT'S RELATED TO THE TRANSPORTATION PIECES, THE POTTING. THERE'S SOME POSITIONS THAT WERE NOT FILLED. AND SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE SAVINGS 7.9 AND 400,000 ON THOSE. AND THEN THE PROPERTY INSURANCE I MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME. THE RISK MANAGEMENT TEAM HAS DONE A GREAT JOB LOOKING AT RISK ASSESSMENT, WORKING WITH OUR INSURANCE COMPANIES, AND HAVE ACTUALLY BROUGHT FORTH A

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GENERAL INFORMATION. THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE PUT, I THINK, EVERY YEAR, JUST TRYING TO CALCULATE FOR YOUR INFORMATION WHAT A 1% PAY RAISE WOULD COST THE DISTRICT AT THIS POINT. YOU SEE THERE TO THE BOTTOM THE GENERAL FUND PORTION OF THAT WOULD COST 1.7 MILLION. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT 100,000 TO OUR SCHOOL NUTRITION FUNDS. THE ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IN THIS CALCULATION IS THE LITTLE ASTERISK AT THE BOTTOM, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE MANDATORY RAISES INCLUDED IN THE EXPENDITURES AT THE TOP, THEY WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED HERE. THIS PIECE OF INFORMATION. THIS IS WHAT MR. DOAR WENT OVER EARLIER THIS MORNING. POTENTIAL EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE. THE ONLY THING I WANT TO ADD ON THIS SLIDE IS THE INCREASE AMOUNTS. YOU DON'T ADD THEM TOGETHER. SO IF IT'S FOR TEN, IT'S $400,000 INCREASE TO THE DISTRICT. IF IT'S FOR 25 IT'S A $1.1 MILLION. BUT YOU DON'T ADD THE 1.1 TO THE 0.4. SO IT'S ONE. EITHER OF THOSE AMOUNTS WOULD BE THE INCREASE, NOT ALL OF THEM. IF WE SELECT ONE OF THE OTHER OPTIONS AT THE BOTTOM. AND THEN AT THIS POINT THIS IS THE I'M GOING TO SAY RECOMMENDED PROPOSAL FROM ADMINISTRATION. WE HAVE LISTENED SEVERAL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE PAST. WE'VE LOOKED AT PARTICULARLY OUR HOURLY EMPLOYEES LOOKING AT AT THE MINIMUMS FOR THOSE, PARTICULARLY SOME OF LIKE SCHOOL NUTRITION POSITIONS, CUSTODIAL POSITIONS, ETC. SO WE'VE GOT A PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT, LOOKED AT INFORMATION AS FAR AS COMPETING DISTRICTS TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPETITIVE IN EACH OF THOSE POSITIONS. WE'VE GOT A HEALTH INSURANCE CONTRIBUTION INCREASE AND THERE ARE SOME, AGAIN, SOME SPECIFIC AREAS THAT ARE TARGETED BASED ON CONVERSATIONS REGARDING, I GUESS, KIND OF A TEARING SYSTEM.

AND SO HIT SOME AREAS THIS YEAR AND AGAIN THE FOLLOWING YEARS WOULD COME BACK WITH SPECIFIC EMPLOYEE CATEGORY RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I'M GOING TO TALK THROUGH THESE VERY BRIEFLY ON ON THIS SLIDE ON THE ADDITIONAL FTE PROPOSAL THAT SHOULD SAY MATH AND READING. IT SAYS MATH AND SCIENCE. AND SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO TALK TO THIS VERY BRIEFLY. AND THEN ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO ADD IN FROM ADMINISTRATION I KNOW MR. BAKER

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AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO EAT. AND THEN BASED ON THIS PROPOSAL, WE WOULD EAT UP. THERE'D BE 6.45 MINUS THE 1.8 THAT WE HAVE IN THE BLACK. SO THAT WOULD PUT US THAT'S HOW YOU GOT TO THE 4.6

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AND IT ALLOWS US TO ADD SOME FTES AS WELL. AREAS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT IN AREAS THAT ARE WE BATTLED WITH THIS ONE PRETTY MUCH FOR A GOOD COUPLE HOURS YESTERDAY WHERE WE SEE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES ACADEMICALLY FOR OUR STUDENTS IS IN OUR MIDDLE SCHOOLS. IT IS AN ABSOLUTE MUST IF WE HAVE TO DO NOTHING ELSE BUT THAT. IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE WORK OF STUDENTS AND STUDENT OUTCOMES. SO THIS IS NOT JUST A PAY PROPOSAL. THIS IS A PAY AND STAFFING PROPOSAL. OKAY, MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD ALSO MOVE THAT WE REPRESENT THIS AT THE NEXT AT THE NEXT MEETING AS WELL. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR FOLKS TO KNOW THIS AS WELL.

WE'RE PLANNING TO NOT A PROBLEM. WILL, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD ON THIS SLIDE BEFORE I MOVE ON.

NOT NECESSARY. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOME THINGS RIGHT. AND I THINK I WANT TO I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE IN HR SPECIFICALLY AS WE'RE NAVIGATING KIND OF THE WHAT WE'RE NAVIGATING THE NOT ONLY HOUSE BILL TWO, BUT ALSO THE LOSS OF IMPACT DAY DOLLARS. SO MINUS NO LOSS TO IMPACT DAY DOLLARS, WE'RE MOVING RIGHT ON DOWN THE ROAD. AND PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST HEALTHIEST DISTRICTS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND SO KUDOS TO THE TEAM AND THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. THE WE HEARD OFTEN IN MY FIRST YEAR HERE FROM ONE OF OUR ORGANIZATIONS THAT SUPPORT OUR HOURLY RATE EMPLOYEES ABOUT RAISING THIS FLOOR. I WANT TO SAY THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE, BUT DEFINITELY ONE THAT WAS OF PRIORITY. I WANT TO ADDRESS THE ABILITY TO BE COMPETITIVE AS WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT OUR SPECIAL EDUCATION STAFF, SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR SCHOOL PSYCHOLOGISTS, OUR DIAGS AND OUR SLPS. THOSE ARE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND. AND OUTSOURCING THOSE IS NOT WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR KIDS. I THINK I MENTIONED IN A BOARD MEETING IN THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS, THE PRINCIPALS AND APS AT KSD ARE SOME OF THE LOWEST PAID IN OUR MARKET GROUP IN CENTRAL TEXAS, AND SO WE'RE WANTING TO ADJUST FOR THAT, TO ATTRACT AND MAINTAIN AND ATTRACT TALENT AND MAINTAIN THE TALENT THAT WE HAVE IN OUR OWN SYSTEM BECAUSE WE'RE COMPETITIVE IN EVERY OTHER CATEGORY. BUT THAT ONE. AND SPECIAL EDUCATION, FOREGOING A RAISE FOR JUST ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS WOULD INCLUDE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED THE TEACHER OF RECORD FOR HOUSE BILL TWO, WHICH IS LIKE YOUR COUNSELORS, YOUR NURSES, LIBRARIANS, THOSE PEOPLE TRADITIONALLY IN IN PRIOR FUNDING BILLS HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION THAT IF WE DIDN'T GIVE A PAY RAISE, WE WOULD NOT INCLUDE THOSE PEOPLE.

THE ADDITIONAL FTES I'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE CONTRIBUTIONS TO HEALTH INSURANCE. AND SO I WE'RE, WE'RE I KNOW THAT KILLEEN IS NOT USED TO ADOPTING DEFICIT BUDGETS. I KNOW THAT WE ARE IN A MUCH BETTER FINANCIAL SITUATION THAN MOST PEOPLE IN TEXAS EVEN TODAY, ESPECIALLY WITH PEOPLE WHO WHO PASSED SIGNIFICANT DEFICIT BUDGETS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IN THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. BUT KNOWING THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO BRING SIGNIFICANT DECISION MAKING TO THE DISTRICT ABOUT OPTIMIZING RESOURCES FOR FUTURE YEARS, WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE KIND OF A LIKE A ROAD BUMP OF SPEED BUMP, IF YOU WILL, TO SAY, IS IT OKAY FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROPOSAL SO THAT WE CAN GET TO

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I NEVER LIKE DEFICIT BUDGETS AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO A LOT OF THINGS IN KILLEEN ISD, WHICH PUTS US ABOVE ALL THOSE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT I DON'T CARE ABOUT BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT THIS DISTRICT AND I DON'T CARE IF THEY GOT DEFICIT BUDGETS. I DON'T CARE IF THEY'VE GOT POTS AND POTS OF MONEY THAT THEY GET TO SHARE WITH TEXAS. I CARE ABOUT THIS DISTRICT AND I DON'T LIKE DEFICIT BUDGETS. I KNOW, AND THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR WE ALWAYS BALANCE OUT SOMEWHERE AND WE ALWAYS HAVE SOME EXTRA FUNDS THAT WE GET TO MOVE OVER TO STRATEGIC FACILITIES OR TO DO THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE. IT ALSO GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY WHEN SOMETHING COMES UP THAT WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT, OR THAT EMERGENCY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHEN WE GO INTO DEFICIT BUDGETS, WE DON'T HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY UNTIL 12 MONTHS FROM NOW. SO I CAN SEE THE BENEFIT OF DOING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. BUT I ALSO CAN SEE THE RISK OF DOING THAT. AND ONCE YOU START DIPPING INTO SAVINGS ACCOUNTS IN YOUR OWN PERSONAL HOME, ONCE YOU START DIPPING INTO THAT SAVINGS ACCOUNT, BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, IT'S GONE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T PUT ANYTHING BACK INTO IT. AND THAT HAPPENS IN BIG ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL.

AND SO I NEVER LIKE GOING INTO THE RED ON ANY OF THIS. SO JUST IF THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING AND IF THIS IS WHAT MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES AGREE TO, THEN WE JUST NEED TO BE EXTRAORDINARY, EXTRAORDINARILY CAUTIOUS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF IMPACT $8, WHICH WE HAVE ALL BEEN VERY BLESSED WITH. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE FALL IN THAT, BUT I DON'T GET A COMFORTABLE, WARM FUZZY ON THAT. 10,000,010 MILLION AND 10 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY. SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO I WANT TO PIGGYBACK KIND OF SORT OF ON THAT, MISS BOWDEN. SO FOR ME, I THINK ABOUT THE WHAT I'LL CALL THE COMPETITOR RUNWAY BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IN TIME IT WILL NO LONGER BE THERE. SO WHAT IS THAT RUNWAY. AND COUPLE THAT WITH THE RUNWAY FOR THE IMPACT AID DRAWDOWN BECAUSE SEE THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO COLLIDE AT SOME POINT IN TIME. AND THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE MOMENT OF RECKONING, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE NOW YOU'VE SAW A $30 MILLION DRAWDOWN FROM IMPACT AID. NOW YOU CAN'T GO PULL THAT 4 TO 8 MILLION FROM COMPETITOR DOLLARS THAT YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO SPEND THAT HAVE ROLLED OVER, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT MOMENT WHERE YOU SAY, OH BOY, BY OUR STANDARDS, IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG OLD BOY MOMENT BECAUSE WE NEVER HAVE THOSE MOMENTS HERE. AND SO THAT'S THAT NUMBER THAT I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN, BECAUSE, SEE, THAT MIGHT CHANGE MY OPINION ON ON THE STANCES THAT WE'RE TAKING TODAY. I KNOW THE LAST COMPLETED AUDIT THAT RESTRICTED FUND BALANCE FOR STATE COMPETITOR WAS, I BELIEVE, 38 MILLION, RIGHT AT 38 MILLION. AND WE ANTICIPATE AN ANNUAL DRAW, YOU KNOW, SO IS THAT 6 MILLION A YEAR. SO YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, THAT'S SIX YEARS OUT BEFORE YOU GOT TO WORRY ABOUT THAT VERSUS IMPACT DATE LEVELING OFF AT 15 TO 20 MILLION IN FOUR YEARS. DO YOU SEE, AS WITH ANY BUDGET, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO NAIL IT PERFECTLY. SO I I'M NOT GOING TO ASSUME WE WILL EITHER ADD OR USE EVERY PENNY WE GOT FROM STATE COMPETITOR THIS YEAR FROM THE STATE. AGAIN, HISTORICALLY WE USED ESSER FUNDS WHEN THOSE WERE IN EXISTENCE FOR THINGS THAT COULD HAVE QUALIFIED FOR STATE COMPETITOR. SO THERE IS A AGAIN SIGNIFICANT DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT'S SITTING THERE. AND SO AT THIS POINT WE HAVE TO USE IT FOR THOSE THINGS THAT QUALIFY. SO YES, EVENTUALLY IT IT POTENTIALLY WILL RUN OUT. BUT SO THAT'S SEVERAL YEARS INTO THE FUTURE $36 MILLION BALANCE IN COMPETITOR LAST AUDIT. AND WE'LL MAKE SURE. SO I WANT MY COLLEAGUES TO UNDERSTAND THIS. THAT POT IS HELD SEPARATE FROM OUR. I'M HAVING A BRAIN LAPSE OF OUR FUND BALANCE UNRESTRICTED. YEAH IT IS IT'S THAT'S SEPARATE. SO THERE'S ANOTHER 36 MILLION THAT SITS THERE THAT REALLY WE DON'T REALLY SEE THAT 36 MILLION ALL THE TIME UNTIL WE'RE AT THIS BUDGET AND WE SAY, HEY, THERE'S SOME COMPETITOR DOLLARS, WE CAN PULL THOSE DOWN. BUT SO THIS GROUP JUST HAS AN IDEA. I THINK THAT BALANCE BECOMES VERY, VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE MORE YOU DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO IT, THE MORE IT IS GOING TO MANIFEST ITSELF. TO YOUR SURPRISE, AT SOME POINT IN TIME. AND THAT KIND OF GOES WITH WHAT MADAM VICE PRESIDENT IS SAYING, HEY,

[03:25:02]

THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU REALIZE THAT YOU'RE ON A PATH STRAIGHT TO HELL. I MEAN, AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRACKING ON THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER KNOW, I'M GOING TO ALLOW MADAM CAPUTO TO GO, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK. YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS FOR TRUSTEES UP HERE, BECAUSE WE HEAR THIS COMMENT ABOUT, HEY, BUDGET AND HEY. AND SO IT'S KIND OF IN IT BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG, BIG BUDGET, OKAY. AND IT'S NOT I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO DRIVE THAT TRAIN. AND I SO, SO RESPECT YOU FOR DOING THAT. BUT TRUSTEES, I WOULD SAY IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU, I MEAN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO COMMUNICATE THOSE TO THE SUPERINTENDENT ASAP BECAUSE SHE CAN EITHER SAY, HEY, THAT'S EMBEDDED RIGHT HERE IN THE BUDGET OR OKAY, NO, IT'S NOT IN THERE, BUT WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE THAT HAPPEN. AND THAT'S NOT A BIG THING THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T REQUIRE THE WHOLE WORLD TO SAY, HEY, BUT SO THERE'S JUST NO MISUNDERSTANDING. SO LIKE, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT MY COLLEAGUE DOWN THERE AT THE END. SEE, I'M GOING TO SAY, HEY, ARE WE FUNDING SPECIAL OLYMPICS? YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. THAT'S ONE OF THE WE'VE WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED AT THE STIPENDS AND WE'RE, WE'RE I'M GOING TO SAY PUT PUTTING IN A MORE FORMULA DRIVEN I GUESS IS THAT THE RIGHT WORD. MORE FORMULA DRIVEN APPROACH TO THOSE STIPENDS. BUT ABSOLUTELY. AND I VIEW THAT AS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT SOME BIG, BIG I THINK THAT'S ONE THAT A TRUSTEE CAN HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATION WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT. WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE THAT WORK WITHIN OUR BUDGET WITHOUT JUST CAUSING THE WORLD TO COME TO AN END. SO FOR THIS GUY HERE, I WOULD SAY SAFETY.

AND I KNOW THIS GROUP HAD A RECENT CLOSED SESSION BRIEFING ON SAFETY. SO I KNOW THAT I AM RELATIVELY PLEASED WITH WHAT I BELIEVE IS GOING TO OCCUR. BUT I THINK AS WE GO IN THIS BUDGET PROCESS AND IT GETS READY TO GET ADOPTED, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO COMMUNICATE THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. OUR FINANCIAL INVESTMENT IN THE SAFETY OF OUR STUDENTS, AND HOW IT WILL LOOK SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FOR 25, 26 AND WHAT YOU SEE AND IN WHAT YOU EXPERIENCE. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE SAFETY, I THINK WE ALL AGREE WAS AN IMPORTANT THING. YOU HAVE COMPENSATION ON HERE. SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INSURANCE. AND SO FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL TRUSTEE I KIND OF GO HEY I THINK WE'RE KIND OF TRACKING I'VE GOT ONE OTHER THING THAT I'M GOING TO TALK TO THE SUPERINTENDENT ABOUT OFFLINE. BUT OTHER THAN THAT I'M FEELING REALLY GOOD. BUT EVERYBODY UP HERE SHOULD FEEL GOOD. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. SO PLEASE COMMUNICATE. THE TRAIN IS OUT THE STATION, AM I CORRECT, MISS FAGAN? CORRECT, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. SO, MR. PRESIDENT, IS THIS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS? AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE OUT OF. IT'S THE BUDGET. IT'S YOURS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T GET MY TOES STOMPED ON UNDERNEATH THE DAIS HERE. BECAUSE YOU JUST KICKED ME. SO. SO AGAIN, I WANT TO COME BACK TO THAT THREE YEAR OLD PROGRAM ON FORT HOOD, AND WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT $2 MILLION FOR 300 KIDS. AND THEN ALSO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ATHLETICS. THIS CAME UP ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, SOMEBODY POINTED THIS OUT TO ME, AND I HAD ASKED AT THAT TIME TO GET INFORMATION ON IT, AND IT WASN'T FORTHCOMING. BUT WHAT DO WE SPEND ON ATHLETICS? WHAT ARE WE SPENDING ON FOOTBALL? WHAT ARE WE SPENDING ON SOCCER? TENNIS? WHAT ARE WE SPENDING ON DANCE AND CHEERLEADING? ARE WE MAKING CHEERLEADERS BUY THEIR OWN UNIFORMS, BUT FOOTBALL PLAYERS

[03:30:05]

THIS IS NOT MY ARENA. THIS WERE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION. SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. AND SO AND THEN OF COURSE SPECIAL OLYMPICS. WE NEED TO ALSO CONSIDER THAT OKAY, I'LL, I'LL HELP YOU OUT AND SAY I BOUGHT SOME BOOTS FOR A YOUNG LADY ON THE DANCE TEAM, I KNOW THAT. SO. AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT SOMEONE ELSE TOLD ME THEY WEREN'T HAPPY THAT OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL GOLFERS HAVE TO BUY THEIR OWN GOLF CLUBS, AND THEY SAID, HEY, IF THEY'RE TRYING TO GET INTRODUCED INTO A GAME THAT'S RELATIVELY EXPENSIVE, AND FOR THE CONSIDERING OUR DISTRICT WHERE WE FALL IN TERMS OF WHAT'S THAT WORD? I'M LOOKING FOR LOW INCOME. YEAH, THAT THEY WERE SAYING, HEY, WE AREN'T REALLY TRYING TO PROMOTE KIDS GETTING, YOU KNOW, INTO TO GOLF. AND IN MANY CASES THEY SAY, HEY, THERE'S A PRICE TAG ON YOUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN CERTAIN THINGS IN THE DISTRICT. SO I DO THINK MADAM VICE PRESIDENT IS ON TO SOMETHING. I JUST DON'T KNOW. THAT COULD BE A BIG MAN. YOU COULD PEEL BACK SOMETHING. IT COULD HURT REALLY, REALLY BAD TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT I THINK IT IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT.

NO, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, TWO OTHER THINGS IN REGARDS TO EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE ATHLETIC INFORMATION EARLIER OUT OF AGENDA ITEM. SORRY ABOUT THAT, MR. MINTZ, BUT THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP OVER AND OVER AND OVER. AND WHEN WE START EARLY COLLEGE, HIGH SCHOOL, THAT PROGRAM WAS SET UP TO BE AN ACADEMIC PROGRAM, AND IT WAS COSTING US A LOT OF MONEY THROUGH THE DUAL CREDIT COURSES AT CTC. SO THAT WAS WHY WE HAD DETERMINED THAT IT WOULD BE ACADEMIC, ONLY BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING ALL THESE COLLEGE CREDITS. NOW THAT WE HAVE STATE FUNDING FOR A LOT OF THOSE CREDITS BASED ON ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED STUDENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IT FREES UP SOME FUNDS THERE. SO PERHAPS WE CAN COME BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN HAVE FOR THOSE PROGRAMS, WHETHER IT'S GOLF, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT MEETS INTO THEIR SCHEDULE, TIMELINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT FOR EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL. BUT ON THE SAME TOKEN, WE HAVE A 60% GRADUATION RATE THERE WITH ASSOCIATE DEGREES, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. AND YES, IT'S A PROGRAM THAT'S WORKING WELL AND LOVE IT. BUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO INCREASE THAT? OR KIDS TAKING THE CLASS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN? IS THAT AN OPTION THAT WE ALLOWED THEM TO DO FOR FREE? THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME, I THINK, OR PARENTS NEED TO HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME AFTER THE FIRST TOKEN, IF YOU KNOW THEY DIDN'T PASS, WHO'S PAYING FOR IT THE SECOND TIME AROUND? SO I THINK WE NEED TO EVALUATE THAT AS WELL. I KNOW WE DO HAVE FUNDS BUDGETED OVERALL FOR STUDENTS THAT PARTICIPATE IN EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES TO TRY AND LOWER THE AMOUNT THAT THOSE PARENTS HAVE TO PAY. BUT LET ME LET ME PUT TOGETHER INFORMATION. I'LL WORK WITH TEAM HERE AND GET THAT BACK TO YOU. MADAM CAPITO, WE HAVE BEEN PRESENTED SOMETHING LAST, WELL, LAST BUDGET TIME, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THINGS, ABOUT A BUNCH OF INITIATIVES THAT WE HAD DISTRICTWIDE. AND I'D LIKE TO BRING THAT BACK TO. ARE WE CUTTING SOME OF THOSE, EVALUATING THEM, LOOKING AT THAT RETURN ON INVESTMENT, THERE WAS LIKE A LIST OF LIKE 300 AND SOME AND PROBABLY A LOT THAT COULD GO BY BY SO THAT WE COULD SPEND THE MONEY ELSEWHERE. WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT BACK. THANK YOU. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND ONE THAT MR. SCOTT IS INVOLVED IN AT THIS POINT, LOOKING AT. ANY OTHER FEEDBACK FROM TRUSTEES. SO I TRIED MY BEST, I PROMISE. AND ADAM'S OUT THERE AND SCOTT, I TRIED MY BEST AND SO BUT I, I CAN'T SO THE LANDSCAPE AND I KNOW DOCTOR HAS TOLD ME THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET ON IT. AND I THINK THERE'S A RFP THAT'S PROBABLY ON THE STREET, BUT I AND JOEY'S GOING TO TELL ME IF I'M I THINK THIS IS KIND OF BUDGET RELATED. I WONDER IF WE COULD BUDGET. YEAH, I THINK WE COULD. I THINK WE COULD INSERT SOME FUNDS IN THE BUDGET WHERE STRATEGICALLY, AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T RFP, BECAUSE WE CAN SPEND UP TO $100,000 ON A SINGLE PURCHASE. RIGHT. THAT'S KIND OF LIKE IN THE BUDGET, RIGHT, DOCTOR KELLY? YES. WHERE WE JUST TARGET AND SAY, HEY, WE BRING IN A LANDSCAPE COMPANY OR TWO AND THEY GO HELP US CATCH UP WHEN

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AND I KNOW EVERYBODY'S TIRED OF ME TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPE, BUT I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO SEE OUR STUFF AND THINK IT'S THE BEST STUFF. AND THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME. SO AND I KNOW DOCTOR FAYE IS TIRED OF HEARING IT FOR ME, AND I'M TIRED OF TEXTING IT TO HER. OKAY. AND SO I'LL HELP ME OUT BECAUSE IT CAUSES ME ANXIETY WHEN I SEE OUR CAMPUSES. UNMOWED I CAN ONLY BE HONEST ABOUT THAT. I'LL HELP YOU WITH THAT. WELL, SUSAN, I ALMOST HUNG UP ON SUSAN WHEN SHE SAID, LET'S JUST GO OUT HERE AND BRING YOUR MOWER AND LET'S JUST GO OUT HERE AND DO SOME CUTTING AND SOME WEED EATING. AND I WAS LIKE, WE'RE ABOUT TO GET A BAD CONNECTION BECAUSE I'M PASSIONATE. MADAM SUPERINTENDENT, I HAVE ONE. ONE ADDITIONAL THING THAT'S RELATED TO THE BUDGET. I'M IF YOU'RE TRACKING FEDERAL POLITICS, YOU KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ON FEDERAL DOLLARS, PUBLIC EDUCATION, FEDERAL DOLLARS. SO RIGHT NOW, TITLE ONE, FUNDS WHICH ARE SIGNIFICANT TO THE DISTRICT ARE NOT GOING TO BE HURT, RIGHT? CORRECT. DEPENDING ON WHAT WE KNOW, HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE 29 POSITIONS IN THE DISTRICT THAT ARE TIED TO TITLE TWO, TITLE THREE, AND TITLE $4. THAT STILL HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED. AND SO WE ARE COMMUNICATING WITH OUR EMPLOYEES, OBVIOUSLY, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU STILL HAVE A JOB, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE GETTING PAID. BUT I DO WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AS SOMETHING OF INTEREST, BECAUSE IF THAT IF THOSE DOLLARS GETS REMOVED, THOSE ARE 29 ADDITIONAL POSITIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PICK UP LOCALLY RIGHT NOW. SO ARE YOU ALL WORKING ON A FISCAL NOTE ON THOSE POSITIONS ALREADY? YES WE ARE. ANY IDEA OF WHAT THAT IS? I KNOW THEY MET YESTERDAY. WE ARE ESTIMATING AT THIS TIME ABOUT 4 TO $5 MILLION RELATED TO TITLE TWO, THREE AND FOUR. OKAY. AND THAT'S NOT BACK. I LOVE YOU, SUSAN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MADAM ADAMS? MADAM SECRETARY, YOU ARE HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU'RE HEARING. THERE'S NOTHING THAT I COULD WAIT. I'M JUST WAITING TO SEE WHAT IT IS THE NEXT TIME AROUND. THE DEFICIT. BUDGET? YEAH. THAT DEFICIT THAT'S GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO US. FAIR ENOUGH. OLIVER MIX. GOOD, SIR. AND THEN I KNOW WHERE YOU STAND. SO, CAITLIN, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. UNLESS YOU'RE DONE. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO ADD, I WANT TO SECOND WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT IF YOU DO HAVE ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, PLEASE BRING THOSE TO DOCTOR FAY. AS TAD REFERENCED THIS MORNING, BECAUSE OF BENEFITS AND OPEN ENROLLMENT. NEXT MEETING WE ARE GOING TO NEED A DECISION. SO EFFICIENCY EFFICIENCY EFFICIENC. THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU. WE'RE NOW GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM K WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF FUTURE BOARD MEETING AGENDAS AND TRUSTEE REMARKS. DOCTOR JO AND FAYE. SO Y'ALL HAD THE AGENDA PROPOSED AGENDA FOR NEXT MEETING IN THIS PACKET. OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE SOME THINGS MOVED FROM CONSENT THAT WERE CONSIDERED TO THAT WILL BE MOVED TO ACTION AND FURTHER DISCUSSION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE AT THIS TIME, I'D LOVE TO ENTERTAIN THEM. NOT DOUBTING YOU, BUT YOU'RE TRACKING THE HOMESCHOOL, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DELAY THAT A LITTLE BIT. AND I THINK WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT FULL PARTICIPATION FOR THE REPORT FOR DOCTOR OSBORNE. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THAT'S NOT WHAT I KNOW. ME AND YOU DISCUSSED IN OFFICER MEETING WITH MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. TRUSTEE REMARKS, WE'LL START WITH MADAM CAPITO. MR. BAKER, CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN THE EMPLOYEE BENEFIT FAIR IS AT SHOEMAKER? AUGUST 2ND. AUGUST 2ND. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT, MR. MINTZ. I'M GOOD, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, MADAM

[03:40:05]

SO THAT'S IT. I JUST WANT TO SAY TO THE PUBLIC, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF NO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A LOT. THERE'S BEEN A STATEMENT ABOUT SAFETY AND HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT WHETHER IT'S SAFE TO COME BACK TO A SCHOOL WITHIN KILLEEN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. ONLY TIME WILL TELL THAT. BUT I'M SAYING THIS GROUP HERE IS COMMITTED TO SAYING THAT, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR KIDS WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY, AS WELL AS OUR ADMINISTRATORS AND OUR TEACHERS. DOCTOR FAYE BROUGHT AN EXCELLENT PLAN WITH HER TEAM TO US, AND IT'S A PLAN, OF COURSE, WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE WHOLE WORLD EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT THAT ACTUALLY MIGHT COMPROMISE SAFETY. AND SO WE JUST ASK THAT YOU HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING ON THAT. WE ASK OUR PARENTS TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE TO YOU THAT, THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING. AND I KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF I IF YOU HAVE A KID AND I HAVE A KID, YOU WANT TO FEEL AS THOUGH THEY'RE SAFE WHEN THEY SHOW UP FOR SCHOOL ON THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL. AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT. AND I WISH I COULD TELL YOU MORE, AND I MIGHT ARM WRESTLE WITH DOCTOR FAY AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN GET SOME MORE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PUT OUT THERE TO HELP PARENTS FEEL AT EASE, BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO BE COMFORTABLE WHEN YOUR KIDS SHOW UP ON DAY ONE. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I JUST WANT TO SAY IS, DOCTOR BUCKLEY, I HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH YOUR OPTIMIZATION FOLKS, AND SO IT'S A VERY, VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING. AND SO THANKS FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING ON THAT. I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO HOW THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP THE DISTRICT.

BUT I WILL THEN SAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS I THINK WE'RE DOING SOME GREAT THINGS IN TERMS OF OPTIMIZATION BEING COST EFFECTIVE. BUT I'M TELLING YOU, AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL OF THAT WILL MEAN NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. AND I'M GOING TO LOOK AT DOCTOR OSBORN.

IF WE DON'T GET THE SCORES WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, BECAUSE THAT IS THE PURPOSE FOR OUR EXISTENCE AND WE CAN'T LOSE. I MEAN, WE CAN'T TAKE OUR EYE OFF THE PRIZE ON THAT. AND I SAY THAT WITH WITH SO MUCH PASSION, BECAUSE I GET TO SAY THAT MY KID IS DOING REALLY, REALLY GREAT, BUT I WANT EVERY KID TO DO REALLY, REALLY GREAT. AND GUESS WHAT? I'M NOT NAIVE. IT IS A HUGE LIFT TO DOCTOR FAYE, DOCTOR OSBORN AND TO EVERYONE OUT THERE WHO PLAYS A PART IN IT, BUT WE JUST CAN'T LOSE FOCUS ON OUR MAIN OBJECTIVE SAFETY. ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT. BUT WE CAN HAVE THE SAFEST SCHOOLS IN THE NATION AND WE COULD BE THE MOST OPTIMIZED DISTRICT. BUT IF WE'RE STILL BELOW THE STATE IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE, THAT MEANS THAT OUR KIDS ARE GOING TO STRUGGLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT. AND EVERYONE THAT SITS AROUND THIS DAIS, IT SETS OUT IN THIS AUDIENCE. WE ALL HAVE QUALITY EDUCATION, AND WE HAVE GOT TO REMAIN COMMITTED TO GETTING THAT FOR EVERY KID IN THIS DISTRICT. AND IT IS A CHALLENGING CAST, PROBABLY LIKE NONE OTHER. I'M NOT NAIVE TO THAT. IT IS A HUGE LIFT. BUT STAY FOCUSED, STAY ENCOURAGED AND WE HAVE TO JUST KEEP OUR EYE ON THE PRIZE. IT'S A BIG LIFT AND SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT EVERYONE DOES.

MADAM SUPERINTENDENT. OKAY, OKAY. NOW LET'S MOVE TO ITEM THREE. AND WE'RE TRACKING 1250, WHICH, MADAM SECRETARY, YOU'RE ABOUT TO HAVE TO DEPART THE MEETING. IS THAT CORRECT? ABOUT 30 MINUTES. YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 MINUTES. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM THREE. THE BOARD WILL NOW CONVENE IN CLOSED SESSION FOR AGENDA ITEM THREE, A DISCUSSION OF PERSONNEL MATTERS AS ALLOWED BY TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.074 AND AGENDA ITEM THREE B DISCUSSION OF SUPERINTENDENTS APPRAISAL, CONTRACT RENEWAL, EXTENSION AND COMPENSATION AS ALLOWED BY TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.074551.071 AND 551.129. NO VOTING WILL TAKE PLACE IN CLOSED SESSION. ANY ACTION THE BOARD WISHES TO TAKE AS A RESULT OF DISCUSSIONS IN CLOSED SESSION WILL TAKE PLACE AFTER THE BOARD RECONVENES IN THE OPEN MEETING. I WOULD NORMALLY NOT FEEL COMPELLED TO SAY THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WE HAVE FIVE PEOPLE HERE. WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE MISSING. WE HAVE ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL THAT'S GOING TO LEAVE IN 30 MINUTES. AND SO FOR WHOEVER THAT EYE IN THE SKY

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